Democrats are hypocrites

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Maverick74, Sep 15, 2003.

  1. As a head of household a 44 magnum is a preferred indoor defense weapon. The main purpose of the large barrel is to intimidate the assailant and not even have to fire. Nobody wants to have to fire so any psychological edge is appreciated. Having to have to use weapons several times for self defense I feel the size of the weapon was a definite factor in a peaceful solution. Assault weapons I don't have an opinion on.
     
    #41     Sep 16, 2003
  2. Just for fun....


    WHY do people trust, say, a SWAT team member with
    an assault rifle, but not their college educated PHD neighbor?

    peace

    axeman
     
    #42     Sep 16, 2003
  3. WHY do people trust, say, a SWAT team member with
    an assault rifle, but not their college educated PHD neighbor?
    axeman
    ____________________________________

    Maybe it doesn't have anything to do with the weapon.

    Good question and I really don't know.
     
    #43     Sep 16, 2003
  4. tampa

    tampa

    My lad, it's time for a little quiz:

    1) Do you have the right to carry a firearm in church?
    2) do you have the right to walk down the street with a gun strapped to your hip?
    3) do you have the right to mount a 50 caliber machine gun on your jeep?
    4) do you have the right to posses a hand gun in NYC?
    5) do you have a right to carry a concealed weapon, if your State disallows it?

    The answer to all of the above is: NO.

    How can that be? Easy. You do not have a Federal Constitutional right to keep and bare arms - your right, such as it may be, is granted and controlled by your state. And should you travel to my state, you MUST abide by our laws. Plain and simple. Easy to understand.

    If you had a Federal Constitutional right, then the answers would all be yes.

    Don't believe me? Try taking your gun on your next trip to New York, and when they bust your ass, try telling the judge about your "rights, and see what he has to say. And when they throw your ass in jail, ask the NRA to challenge the law - they won't even return your call. Know why? Because they have lied to you, and you never bothered to ask yourself these questions.

    The Second Amendment applies to the States - not to you. Your State can do as it pleases when it comes to guns and gun ownership, All the Feds can do is prohibit the sale or manufacturing of certain weapons - but your state can prohibit the actual possession.

    And that's a fact, jack.
     
    #44     Sep 16, 2003
  5. "If you had a Federal Constitutional right, then the answers would all be yes."

    Wrong.
    This pretty much sums up your faulty argument.
    Using your logic, freedom of speech is also unconstitutional
    simply because I cannot yell FIRE in a crowded theatre.



    But to answer your questions, just for fun:

    1) Do you have the right to carry a firearm in church?
    Yes - in Minnesota

    2) do you have the right to walk down the street with a gun strapped to your hip?

    Yes in North Carolina.

    3) do you have the right to mount a 50 caliber machine gun on your jeep?

    Yes - if im in the military.

    4) do you have the right to posses a hand gun in NYC?

    Yes if im a police officer.

    5) do you have a right to carry a concealed weapon, if your State disallows it?

    Yes if im a bank guard.




    " You do not have a Federal Constitutional right to keep and bare arms "

    The constitution states otherwise.
    This is quite an assertion. Care to state your source?
    I was unaware of the removal of the 2nd amendment.


    "The Second Amendment applies to the States - not to you"
    Another empty assertion. Prove it. I'm not aware of any
    anti-gun nut who has successfully made this case.



    peace

    axeman




     
    #45     Sep 17, 2003
  6. tampa

    tampa

    Axie, baby - there sure were a lot of "if I'm in such and such a state" answers in your reply.

    Ain't it a bitch when someone backs you into a corner, and the best you can do is a lame tap dance?

    Like I said, take your gun to NYC, or Washington DC, or even try driving through Virginia without it being disassembled, and when they bring you before the judge, try some of the above arguments on him - let us know how you make out.
     
    #46     Sep 17, 2003
  7. "Ain't it a bitch when someone backs you into a corner, and the best you can do is a lame tap dance?"

    Tampax baby...
    Only in your own little mind.

    I'll point out the flaw in your argument one more time,
    using your own language so you will understand it.


    Tampax.... Like I said, take your free speech to NYC, or Washington DC, or even in Virginia, then yell FIRE in a
    crowded theatre, and when they bring you before the judge,
    try some of the above arguments on him - let us know how you make out.



    You see LAD... reasonable restrictions on constitutional rights
    is not proof that they don't exist.



    PS. Nice DODGE. You failed to backup your empty assertions.
    tampax:" You do not have a Federal Constitutional right to keep and bare arms "
    tampax:"The Second Amendment applies to the States - not to you""



    peace

    axeman




     
    #47     Sep 17, 2003
  8. tampa

    tampa

    Axie, surely you would join with me in declaring that the prohibition against the ownership of firearms, as exists in numerous municipalities, goes well beyond reasonable restrictions. Such "restrictions" would fly in the face of the Second Amendment - if that amendment applied directly to individuals. And is it not strange that the NRA, champion of the Second Amendment has not brought what might otherwise be a blatant violation of Constitutional rights to the attention of the Attorney General or the Supreme Court? Why do you suppose they have not?



    ( Give me that old soft shoe, and nothing else will do. A one, a two, doo da ly doo...)

     
    #48     Sep 17, 2003
  9. Drop the rhetoric.

    The degree of restrictions on firearms is constantly debated,
    as is the degree of reasonable searches in the fourth amendment.

    Is the fourth amendment invalid because the DEGREE of
    reasonable search is always under debate? NO.


    The bill of rights in 44 of 50 state constitutions secure an
    individual right to bear arms, many of them explicitly.

    Se we know this has been hashed out in court already, and
    although for some reason, it has not reached the Supreme Court,
    the majority of state courts recognize this as an individual right.

    I *suspect* the powers that be are making very sure this
    doesn't reach the supreme court, but I doubt anyone can prove this.
    The evidence for the 2nd amendment being an individual right
    is quite strong, and i'm sure the NRA would love to see the
    day this reaches the Supreme Court.

    As for your Attorney General, he SUPPORTS the 2nd amendment
    as an individual right. You better check out:
    http://www.nraila.org/media/misc/halbrookresp.htm


    Now do you wish to retract the assertions you have
    failed to back up, or are you going to DODGE again?


    peace

    axeman




     
    #49     Sep 17, 2003
  10. tampa

    tampa

    Did you say that 44 of the 50 States have strong gun ownership provisions in their Constitutions? Why do you suppose that is? It's because the US Constitution permits them to - in fact it permits them to have strong, or even weak gun ownership provisions. The US Constitution leaves such matters as individual gun ownership and related issues up to the States.

    That's why you can strap a gun to your hip, and walk down the street in a south western state - but risk being shot were you to try it in most others. That's why you can carry a concealed gun in one state, but not another. That's why you can drive down the highway with a gun in your car, but are not permitted to have one in your home in certain cities, and the District of Columbia.

    As for the NRA "loving" to see the issue reach the Supreme Court - they can file suit this morning. In fact, they could have done so yesterday, or the day before that, or the day before that.

    And yes, the Attorney General is quite vocal in his support for the Second Amendment - and who better than he to ask the Court for relief for the poor citizens of NYC, or to keep you from having to deal with the restrictions placed on you by your own or other states. He hasn't done so because he knows full well that the Court would side with, for example, the State of New York in granting the city of New York the authority to decide who shall and shall not be armed. (As does the NRA)

    With all due respect, and at the risk of this sounding like a personal attack, you are too thick headed, and apparently too stupid to have a gun - at least in my humble opinion.
     
    #50     Sep 17, 2003