Delta spread directly due to unvaccinated people

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Aug 1, 2021.

  1. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    #21     Aug 1, 2021
  2. gaussian

    gaussian

    Israel has the highest vaccination rate on the planet and Delta is spreading.

    Iceland and Gibraltar have 70%+ vaccination rates and it's spreading.

    The UK has a higher vaccination rate than America and it's spreading.


    Why are they so keen to make you get the jab if it doesn't work? Here's the actual math:

    1. CDC says vaccines prevent transmission so it's safe to take off masks
    2. Everyone takes off masks
    3. 99.9% of all risk takers were vaccinated and traveling to places like California, Las Vegas, and New York, and Florida.
    4. Virus spreads because the vaccine doesn't work
    5. Blame the unvaccinated
    6. Goto (4) until july
    7. CDC comes out with data showing the vaccine doesn't stop the spread
    8. Vice Chancellor Fauci says that the vaccine doesn't stop the spread
    9. Pfizer releases data showing that effectiveness drops precipitously after 6 months
    10. Moderna etc all have the same problem
    11. Blame the unvaccinated
    12. Goto (4)

    Something makes me think it was never about getting people vaccinated. India is crushing delta with the Ivermectin cocktail and it's taboo to talk about it. If you don't take the jab you're an anti-science shill!

    Pfizer et al. just pulled the greatest scam in history and vaxtards are eating it up. Ask yourself, who is donating to the politicians and paying for ads on social media that has a vested interest in selling vaccines and black holing Ivermectin? How many sockpuppet accounts talking about "my patients all wish they had taken the vax" are controlled by the pharmas? Right to try laws would dictate a dying patient would be able to take Ivermectin, and cheap and readily available drug, on the off chance it worked. What (or who) could possibly compel doctors to let them die?

    ...makes you think. Perhaps during the next lockdown when vaxtards are seething they can think about the actual cost of writing off any legal protection you had to take experimental "science juice" because NOW would be a good time to lawyer up and sue the pharma corps.

    Peak goalpost moving. The rate at which you and H4M are shifting the goal post will have it on the other side of the planet before morning. I hope Pfizer pays you well to shill their shit because even cutco knives last longer than this vaccine.
     
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    #22     Aug 2, 2021
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  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's take a look at the facts instead of your fanciful narrative. The recent Israeli data has shown the Pfizer vaccine is only 35% effective at stopping the spread of Delta-variant COVID among individuals. Clearly this is not good news but still 35% effective is better than being unvaccinated.

    The good news from the Israeli data is the vaccine is still highly effective at keeping you from being severely ill from Delta-variant COVID. In other words it keeps you out of the hospital and prevents you from dying. This can also be seen in the U.S.

    About 99.999% of fully vaccinated Americans have not had a deadly COVID-19 breakthrough case
    https://abc11.com/health/deadly-bre...-rare-for-fully-vaccinated-cdc-data/10923757/

    Currently well over 90% of the cases in U.S. hospitals are unvaccinated.

    This gets back to the two purposes of a vaccine:
    • To stop the spread of a disease between individuals.
    • To stop people from getting severely ill.
    Clearly vaccination is still supporting the second purpose above very well in face of the Delta variant. Seeing that the efficacy of vaccines is not 100% there will be some breakthrough cases -- however most (99%+) of the vaccinated do not get a severe case.

    In regards to Gibraltar-- the country had zero COVID cases in mid-May. The country opened itself to tourism on June 13th. After this COVID cases among the residents grew -- but it should be noted that nearly none of the vaccinated needed to be hospitalized. There is is lesson in all of this about opening your country for tourism without strict those incoming with 14 day quarantines.
     
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    #23     Aug 2, 2021
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

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    #24     Aug 2, 2021
  5. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Previous Wuhan-19 infection is the best protection against variants in my view. You would not be able to contract the original Kung Flu either is what I'm given to understand.
     
    #25     Aug 2, 2021
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Less than 1% of fully vaccinated people experience a breakthrough Covid-19 infection, analysis finds
    https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/co...s-08-02-21/h_4258aa07cbf2206435b5f84328ddab33

    Less than 1% of fully vaccinated people experienced a breakthrough infection, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation analysis of official state data.

    The federal government only reports data on breakthrough infections that result in hospitalization or death.

    According to the latest data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, less than 0.004% of people who have been fully vaccinated against Covid-19 experienced a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization, and less than 0.001% have died from the disease. That’s about 6,600 severe breakthrough cases out of more than 163 million fully vaccinated people.

    But the KFF analysis shows that breakthrough infections of any kind are also extremely rare.

    About half of states report data on Covid-19 breakthrough cases, and in each of those states, less than 1% of fully vaccinated people had a breakthrough infection, ranging from 0.01% in Connecticut to 0.9% in Oklahoma.

    Also, more than 90% of cases – and more than 95% of hospitalizations and deaths – have been among unvaccinated people, according to the KFF analysis. In most states, more than 98% of cases were among the unvaccinated.
     
    #26     Aug 2, 2021
  7. jem

    jem

    and... we just saw today... that vaccine antibodies wane quickly... for some or all.

    So absent boosters your stat is could change significantly.







     
    #27     Aug 2, 2021
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    There is no surprise that vaccinated anti-bodies wane. The current generation of COVID-19 vaccines were only expected to be effective for 1 to 2 years before a booster is required. Plan properly to rollout the boosters and it will not be an issue.

    The bigger issue is the generation of new vaccine-evasive COVID variants out of the unvaccinated. Hence the importance of getting everyone vaccinated.
     
    #28     Aug 2, 2021
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  9. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    "Whether or not we develop immunity to a disease often depends on our antibodies, which are proteins we produce in response to infection. Antibodies are one of the body’s most well-known defenses: They coat invading cells and, in the best case, prevent those invaders from hijacking our cells and replicating. After we clear an infection, antibody levels often wane, but at least a few stick around, ready to ramp up production again if that same disease attacks again. That's why an antibody test can tell you if you were infected in the past. It's also what keeps us from getting sick a second time"
     
    #29     Aug 2, 2021
  10. No, we don't need everyone vaccinated. It's live or die time. Make your choice, jab or no, we move on. Enough Covid tyrannical policy already.
     
    #30     Aug 2, 2021