Delta Neutral not so neutral ?

Discussion in 'Options' started by Tums, Jun 1, 2006.

  1. BSM-modeling ignores vol-convexity due to the constant vol assumption. Using a proper stochastic model will produce OTM vommas -- ATM vommas are 0, otm vommas are +. OTM vols carry a vol-premium under a stoch vol model.

    Vomma risk is a concern in any short gamma scenario, but overwhelmed by gamma and mag of vega // speed.
     
    #21     Jun 4, 2006
  2. taowave

    taowave

    That is something you need to tell us...

    I assume your models convention is for a net 1% change on vol..i.e,vol going from 40 to 39..

    Some people look at a 1% vol change as 1% x 40 =.40

    I am fairly certain the first measure is what you have..

    Do you know what vol you are short??
    Do you know where historical vol is ?
    Do you know the high/low od VLO historical vol?
     
    #22     Jun 4, 2006
  3. Another reason to choose OTM when expecting vols expansion in next few days ( speed) !
    :)
     
    #23     Jun 4, 2006
  4. Yes, absolutely, as both dV and dG aren't priced under BSM; therefore the convexity is cheap if the vol-surface is modeled-flat.
     
    #24     Jun 4, 2006
  5. dG IS priced under BSM, but absent dV.
     
    #25     Jun 4, 2006
  6. Thanks for your advice. The delta is calculated using iv. I have played with the position simulator, and understand my risk very well. I understand that my style is very different from most option traders.
    My trading style was not very math-oriented though i understand the model very well. For me, trading options is very similar to playing chess. I act and react. Thats as simple as it.
    Now I like to play the chess smarter than i was by incorporating the math model and with the help of all the great option traders here.
     
    #26     Jun 5, 2006
  7. I use the option888 site to get the info and I believe it is the first measure.
    I shorted the options when the iv was high (after the market crashed several weeks ago), and it was priced too high I think compared to the historial vol.
    I never looked at those values before, and so I like to know how the market reacts, and how long it takes for it to reverse back to the normal iv.
     
    #27     Jun 5, 2006
  8. cnms2

    cnms2

    You play simultaneously two games: one with the underlying's price player and one with the options' IV player. Your game time is limited by your options' expiration. :)
     
    #28     Jun 5, 2006
  9. Here is an example of a long GOOG DN strangle, comparing theoretical to actual pricing. Comments/corrections welcome.

    Regards
     
    #29     Jun 5, 2006
  10. very nice..thx for the work...given time you can adjust as you point out into a b-fly so there is depth to the strategy.
     
    #30     Jun 6, 2006