Delta Hedging

Discussion in 'Options' started by trading1, Dec 12, 2012.

  1. kapw7

    kapw7

    No I don't have any experience at all. I was only pointing that at least for me this simple equation helped me to understand better the concept than pages of text. Maybe it's just me.

    But if you want to be closer to reality you need to consider more advanced models than Black-Scholes (where volatility is flat) with more advanced maths and new sources of risk.

    The other very helpful thing with this equation is that you can replace (dS)^2 with (sigma*S)^2 times dt (thanks to Ito) and suddenly your gamma profit is not "random" anymore as it is not a function of dS ie the stock movement. Of course in the Black-Scoles world where volatility is determenistic.

    So without using any complex maths (I don't know either) you can gain some better insight with this simple equation.

    OK where is the volatility porn now?
    (I was going to google it but somehow it sounds extremely kinky - how do you explain that to your wife?)
     
    #21     Dec 17, 2012
  2. tayte

    tayte

    Hey thanks for the feedback guys. I used to work for a regional index options market maker, and Greek hedging management is a pretty important part of "keeping the money".

    Just to clear up a couple of points from cdcaveman,

    1) The gamma portion of the PnL estimate clearly isn't linear, since it's squared (think variance).

    2) dS is the future price deviation, and it doesn't take much complexity to work out the AVERAGE expected future price deviation. This information is necessary for a trader to estimate his trade's EV, along with risk management plans.

    Here's an example of doing it crudely in excel,
    http://matdays.blogspot.com/2012/11/excel-data-analysis-33-volatility.html

    Hope that helped!
     
    #22     Dec 17, 2012
  3. I am still waiting to hear something that makes sense.
     
    #23     Dec 17, 2012
  4. I dont think layering more math and complexity is the answer... im thinking of taking calculus this coming semester. But i think you can drown yourself in math... Thinking that that next level of math and complexity consumation will give you more edge. its suppose to give you more dimension on reality where sometimes i think it just skews your perception of it.. A weak hand is a weak hand no matter what equations your holding... hypefocusing on optimizing backtesting etc is no reality... Its like walking backwards in history will help you walk forward in the future.. it wont! rules of thumb are often undervalued for lengthy mathmatical arguments... i wanna see the cartoons to!

    Most great minds have stated many times that sophistication is in simplicity...
    But i got your point i was just saying.... That model makes it seem like there is a linear path to profit via dynamic hedging
     
    #24     Dec 17, 2012
  5. Put a negative sign in front of what everyone here says..Boom!
     
    #25     Dec 17, 2012
  6. kapw7

    kapw7

    But delta hedging does exactly that, it takes out of the equation this "linear path to profit" you described.

    As I said before I am trying to learn, same as you. I guess it's not easy to dicuss about these topics in a forum especially without adult supervision. University could be a good place for that so by any means take that course if you are interested.
     
    #26     Dec 17, 2012
  7. hard knocks seems to be the only school i learn anything at ha :)
    Im not sure what you mean... I think you misunderstood me.. I was just saying plugging in numbers into that equation makes it seem as if what you make from delta hedging is tractable in a linear fashion
     
    #27     Dec 17, 2012
  8. tayte

    tayte

    exactly.
     
    #28     Dec 17, 2012
  9. sle

    sle

    What exactly would you find "useful", may I ask? The basics are as simple as they get, you rebalance your delta and lock in the gamma gains or losses, while bleeding/collecting theta. The really meaty stuff starts once you get into details:
    (a) which vol to use for hedging (generating the delta number) - implied volatility, some predicted volatility or some sort of over-hedge number?
    (b) include or not include dVol/dSpot in delta calculation - e.g. use sticky strike vol, sticky delta vol or some sort of a back-bone/volcor model (e.g. SABR)?
    (c) should one use or not use some sort of forward prediction/overhedge - e.g. use some sort of statistical arbitrage model to capture that variance yet a touch better?
    (d) what frequency should one hedge to find the best balance of transaction costs to best variance capture in case of long gamma or to smooth pnl sufficiently in case of short gamma?
    I don't think any of these questions have universal answers and even if you think you have answered them for your own purposes, you frequently would find that you have to make exceptions.
     
    #29     Dec 17, 2012
  10. (e) Can you capture the cash spread when you're hedging long gamma?
    (f) Is the width of that spread priced into the the vol?
    (g) Have you been distracted by the volatility porn aesthetics (again)?
     
    #30     Dec 18, 2012