Debt Ceiling Fight 2023

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 19, 2023.

  1. Ricter

    Ricter

    Agree.
     
    #11     Jan 19, 2023
  2. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    lol no
     
    #12     Jan 19, 2023
  3. Fine, then we need significantly more middle class taxes or we default. There's not enough billionaires to pay for it all. The math doesn't lie. People lived almost 20 years less and they were having a lot more babies when Social Security was first enacted. I don't think moving full retirement age to 75 is a bad idea.
     
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    #13     Jan 19, 2023
  4. mervyn

    mervyn

    Obviously you don't read much. If you were to tax, tax the wealth, not the income.

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/rele...ographic:networth;population:all;units:shares

    Federal Reserve data indicates that as of Q4 2021, the top 1% of households in the United States held 32.3% of the country's wealth, while the bottom 50% held 2.6%.
     
    #14     Jan 19, 2023
  5. $41T is the amount of wealth for the top 1%. If we take 100% of that (assuming there will be no other negative consequences which isn't true) that gives us about a third of what we need. The fact is that an economy is only as strong as the goods and services it produces. If you have a lot of people collecting payments and not enough people in the labor force you will run deficits.
     
    #15     Jan 19, 2023
  6. mervyn

    mervyn

    If those three rating firms are not Americans, I’d downgrade the sh*t out of US govt bonds to junk.
     
    #16     Jan 19, 2023
  7. Ricter

    Ricter

    Umm, the demographics are a bit more nuanced. The rich are living longer, but in the last decade or three the middle to lower classes are not.
     
    #17     Jan 19, 2023
  8. Well, we could change things. Raise the age for social security. Make the healthcare system more efficient. We spend about as much on Medicare as Singapore spends on its entire healthcare system/capita. Singapore covers everybody. We don't. Singapore has better outcomes. Singapore has one of the more innovative healthcare systems in the world. We do a lot of shit inefficiently. Medicare is no exception.
     
    #18     Jan 19, 2023
  9. The rich have always lived significantly longer. White people lived way longer than black people when Social Security was implemented.
     
    #19     Jan 19, 2023
  10. notagain

    notagain

    Debtor nations, this is what the globalist want.
    Cutting fiscal spending would also cut the market.
     
    #20     Jan 19, 2023