Debates!!!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Epic, Jan 26, 2012.

  1. He knew he could get to his base later on down the road. What exactly are their options:D

    He ended Iraq, he is drawing down Afghanistan. Better late than never.

    The Buffett rule thingy was aimed at the Rust Belt. So he knows he has the Left Coast, and the Eastern Seaboard. The battleground will be here in the MidWest, as it always is. He is playing the 99% card, and with Mittens being who he is, it will play well. He is conceding the South.
     
    #71     Jan 26, 2012
  2. 2008 was the opposite of what you remember: the war was foremost until Sept 15 and Lehman, after which it was the economy. The mishandling of Lehman by the Bush Admin doomed McCain.
    The failure to close Guantanamo was bad, but hardly fatal. Iraq is done with, and Afghanistan soon will be. As for the economy, I can't speak for normal people there since I know a lot more economic history than most, so my expectations were lower to begin with, knowing what he faced. I've always been baffled by the usual attitudes towards the economy people have.
    The only thing I fault him for there is that he didn't break up the TBTF banks, as that is just a problem that will come back to bite us yet again somewhere down the line. It was by a wide margin his worst failing, and what's even worse than that is that I don't think he regards it as a failure. He simply doesn't understand the risks that this introduces into the economy.
    The Republicans, as usual, are happy with the status quo, and want to dismantle what little progress was made in this area. It's a choice between a lack of understanding the seriousness of the problem on the one hand, and a failure to even recognize there is a problem on the other.
     
    #72     Jan 26, 2012
  3. I blew off the Mountain West because I believe Illinois all by itself compensates for the the entire Mountain West. Correct me if I am wrong.
     
    #73     Jan 26, 2012
  4. I remember during the crisis, Susie Orman saying, almost under her breath, "they should never have let Lehman go"
     
    #74     Jan 26, 2012
  5. In fact, I think Wells Fargo got bigger, didn't they? Did they not swallow Wachovia?
     
    #75     Jan 26, 2012
  6. Brass

    Brass

    At this point, I think everyone is chewing the fat just to chew the fat. We all know that none of the current GOP crop can defeat Obama come the general election. Those here who pretend that one of these guys can, remind me of scared kids whistling while crossing a graveyard at night, False bravado and all that.
     
    #76     Jan 27, 2012
  7. Epic

    Epic

    Wow! I really underestimated Romney.

    I really thought that we were going to see the same old Romney at the debate, saying the same dead lines that everyone has heard many times.

    Until last night, I was convinced that the only reason Romney did ok in debates was because of an extreme amount of prepping and programming. The assumption was that as soon as he is forced outside of his prepared statements, he fumbles the ball. Case in point, his initial responses on taxes.

    Last night made me reconsidered my theory. I think I might've been way off the mark. It seems that he might be comfortable pushing the issues from a position of power, as long as he feels like he is well informed on the topic. There is a part of me who thinks that his struggles have been the result of his allowing the team to control him too much. He doesn't want to say something stupid so the 'what not to say' part is jamming him. Newt never has that problem. He just goes in freestyle.
     
    #77     Jan 27, 2012
  8. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Anyone who speaks in absolutes and uses the words always or never most likely has not advanced beyond a high school education. Anything can happen, especially in politics.
     
    #78     Jan 27, 2012
  9. Brass

    Brass

    I'm not speaking in absolutes. (What does that even mean in this context?) Of course "anything" can happen. But now you're speculating on the unknowable. And THAT'S fat chewing. As things stand, I really don't think the GOP has a chance. And that's all we can actually comment on, as things stand, unless you've gone prophetic on us. And as for education, since you brought it up, I've got an MBA. What have you got?
     
    #79     Jan 27, 2012
  10. Epic

    Epic

    I disagree. As things currently stand, I think Obama would lose to Romney or Santorum. Gingrich would be close. Obama would beat Paul.

    I actually think it will be an improved economy that wins it for Obama toward the end of the year. But right now, he loses.
     
    #80     Jan 27, 2012