Dear Abby Uses Column To Promote Radical Gay Agenda

Discussion in 'Politics' started by AAAintheBeltway, Oct 10, 2007.

  1. Ann Landers and Dear Abby. For decades they served as wise voices offering generally sound counsel to people with troubled marriages, rebellious children or difficult in-laws. Time marched on and their columns were passed on, in Dear Abby's case to a young daughter. Apparently, the daughter has none of her mother's judgment or wisdom. Instead she has become another shrill media voice agitating for the gay agenda and the overthrow of the traditional family culture her mother, and more importantly, her mother's advice column, championed. I think newspapers should reconsider carrying this column. Since most of them support her radical views, they will probably stick with her, no matter how much their readers complain.


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    For years, rumblings have surfaced on the Internet, conjecture about her casual references to "sexual orientation" and "respect."

    Now, the subject of the speculation is ready to make a statement, insisting the truth was there all along for anyone who cared to read between the lines: Dear Abby supports same-sex marriage.

    "There should be gay marriage. I believe if two people want to commit to each other, God bless 'em," the syndicated advice columnist said in an interview with The Associated Press. "That is the highest form of commitment, for heaven's sake."

    What Jeanne Phillips, aka Abigail Van Buren, finds offensive - not to mention of dubious intelligence - are homophobic jokes, phrases like "That's so gay," and parents who reject or try to reform their children when they come out of the closet.

    Her views are the reason she's being honored this week by Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, a national advocacy group that provides support for gay people and their families. The original Abby, Phillips' 89-year-old mother, Pauline, helped put PFLAG on the map in 1984 when she first referred a distraught parent to the organization.

    The younger Phillips, who formally took over the column when her mother was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease five years ago, has continued plugging the group, as well as its affiliate for parents with children who identify as transgender, and a suicide hot line aimed at gay teenagers.

    "I'm trying to tell kids if they are gay, it's OK to be gay. I've tried to tell families if they have a gay family memebr to accept them and love them as they always have," she said.

    Alert "Dear Abby" readers may have noticed that the youthful attitude Phillips promised to bring to the column includes a decidedly gay-friendly take on some matters.

    In a March 2005 column that touched a nerve with some readers, Phillips came down unequivocally on the side of scientists who say sexual orientation is a matter of genetics, not personal choice. She advised a mother who had cautioned her 14-year-old daughter to keep her feelings for other girls secret to "come to terms with your own feelings about homosexuality."

    Last year, addressing a groom whose gay brother refused to serve as best man or even attend the wedding because he couldn't marry, she made it clear her sympathies lay with the boycotting brother.

    "Accepting the status quo is not always the best thing to do," she wrote. "Women were once considered chattel, and slavery was regarded as sanctioned in the Bible. However, western society grew to recognize that neither was just. Canada, Belgium, the Netherlands and Spain have recognized gay marriage, and one day, perhaps, our country will, too."

    Phillips, who lives in Los Angeles, said she understands not everyone agrees with her. She and her husband "argue about this continually." He thinks civil unions and domestic partnerships "would be less threatening to people who feel marriage is just a religious rite." She thinks anything less than full marriage amounts to second-class citizenship.

    "If gay Americans are not allowed to get married and have all the benefits that American citizens are entitled to by the Bill of Rights, they should get one hell of a tax break. That is my opinion," said Phillips, who speaks with the no-nonsense tone of someone who is used to settling debates.

    Right now, Phillips, who prefers to be called Abby, is writing a reply to a woman who wanted to know whether she should include childhood photographs of her transgender brother-in-law in a family album. The woman is worried what she will tell her children when they see pictures of their uncle as a little girl.

    Phillips' advice to Worried Reader will be to include the photos, she says, and answer any questions the kids have honestly.

    As far as she knows, Phillips' outspokenness on gay rights issues has never caused a strong backlash, said Kathie Kerr, a spokeswoman for Universal Press Syndicate, which distributes the column to about 1,400 newspapers. It's possible some editors choose not to run the segments dealing with homosexuality, but if so they have not complained to the syndicate, Kerr said.

    "We get brouhahas all the time, and they haven't been about Dear Abby," Kerr said.

    Phillips said that while it might be tempting to devote an entire column to why she thinks jokes invoking the anti-gay "f-word" are in poor taste, she does not plan to spell out her views on gay marriage any more directly than she has already.

    "If they are my readers, they know how I feel on the subject," she said. "I don't think I'm a flaming radical. I'm for civility in life. I'm for treating each other with respect, trying to do the best you can."
  2. Turok


    It's a slippery slope dammit. Grant gays civil rights and pretty soon everyone will want them.


  3. gblnking


    Next she'll be advocating equal rights and respect for fat people. Eash.
  4. Yeah, AAA - I gotta think you might be over-reacting to this one. We all know full well that the religous right is against the whole gay thing, but intellectually most know that being gay is not necessarily a choice. My best guess is there will be far more stable gay marriages, relationships, civil unions, whatever, than with so many hetero relationships.

    As far as having a generational change within a nationwide column, I would rather see a bit more tolerance than wild eyed outrage as seen with one of the other voices, Dr. Laura. I remember when Dr. Laura had some pretty good advice for all people, but I have a hard time listening to her anymore. Another example of getting a bit too far to one side or the other, and playing to a different core audience.

    If people stop reading these advice columns, then the marketplace will sort itself out.

    We on ET are not going to solve the gay marriage issue, or many other issues, but we can, as a community, perhaps consider centering ourselves a bit on some positions instead of having to follow so tightly one party line or another. Just a hope of mine, yet I'm doubtful it will happen.

  5. Gays or civil rights???
  6. Gays have exactly the same civil rights as everyone else. Actually they have more as some states and cities have special rights granted only to them, such as "hate" crime laws, affirmative action, etc. Any employer in these areas knows better than to try to fire one of them. Far safer to fire the middle aged married white guy.

    I also object to this woman presenting beliefs as fact. Despite the government and NIH spending tens of millions of dollars on politically directed research, they have been totally unable to prove that homosexuality is genetic. The fact that a significant percentage of people go from one orientation to the other would seem to prove the opposite, that it is behavioral and not fixed by ones genes. I don't doubt that some people have an attraction to the same sex, just as some men like women with a big butt or blonde hair, but that doesn't make it genetic.

    In trying to stigmatize traditional opposition to homosexual conduct, even among young students, Dear Abby is also misleading her readers. The fact is that the homosexual lifestyle is one of the riskiest health choices a person can make. To the extent the left allows such statistics to be published, it is common knowledge that homosexuals suffer far greater rates of drug and alcohol abuse, not to mention STDs. The happy image of a loving gay couple is also a lie. It is the exception. Far more common is the club scene, public bathroom or park hookups or other one time encounters. Don't expect to see that featured on Will and Grace however.
  7. Here's where their argument really falls apart though-

    Gays' sexual preferences are "genetic" and therefore shouldn't be looked down upon, nor are they capable of being "fixed" and turn straight. Fine.

    But by that logic, a pedophile's sexual preference is also "genetic" and also can't be fixed. But boy, do they ever push the idea that they can be rehabilitated and should be let out of jail to roam our streets again if some quack psychiatrist says he's rehabilitated.

    And yet they see no conflict with the "genetic" aspect of their person's sexual preference argument.......
  8. Pedophile = underage. Gay marriage = consensual relationship. Gay rape=same penalties, but you rarely hear about it happening.

    A homosexual lifestyle, in my opinion, has a different conotation than a homosexual relationship. A swinging lifestyle, like Paris or her pals, is just as risky. If you're referring to StD's and HIV, then you probably realize that there are far more cases among the hetero community, regardless of their original point of origin. Public bathroom sex by hetero's has been going on longer, and probably more often than same sex. We all saw Top Gun, LOL.

    As far as trying to stigmatize a group of society that is against another group of society by using a portion of disputed science, puts this right into the Darwin versus creationism and intelligent design group. Some using their science, while others use theology and their experts. Similar to the debate on global warming, pushing one agenda or another.

    As far as AAA saying the left allows this stuff to be printed is awfully confusing. I'm not sure either side allows anything as a designated group. Don't both sides allow a lot of crap the opposite sides don't agree with?

    We still have Building 7 to decide, 9/11 or demolition. Which side allows what to be published? As far as drug and alcohol abuse, I think the biggest population group just might be college students, right or left or centrist, guilty of being young and foolish.

    We are all individuals, and should not be pushing agendas on anyone. Everyone thinks God is on their side, well, let's not even get into that, since I think gays are God's children as well. Maybe IAM can dive in on that part, LOL.

    If I'm in a firefight, I could care less who is behind the M-16 wearing an American uniform, gay, straight, pro-war, anti-war, neocon, moonbat, just a good human being.

  9. Turok


    >Gays have exactly the same civil rights as everyone else.

    I agree with that statement, but you *really* don't.

    Marriage is not mentioned in the Constitution, yet ask around and see if people don't consider it a "civil right". Better yet, let a court rule that the heterosexuals have no right to marriage and see what happens. LOL

  10. Turok


    Gays of course.

    #10     Oct 10, 2007