Thanks JZ, like the bible, nostradamus, and everything thats gone before, just big fairytales................................................. Its fortunate, that with the info available now, one could make a realistic, reasonably accurate determination of specific dates and such. Probability, and chance......... strangely, the "fairy-tale" believers are the most likely to manufacture such an event, in accordance with their perceptions. Now........the mayans must have known, they wouldn't be around to see it.......(their descendants would claim otherwise, it would be interesting to hear their ideas on it) so to simply dismiss it, on the basis no-one can speak for them, is a bit shortsighted IMO.