Daytraders delight...Triple leverage ETFS

Discussion in 'ETFs' started by Port1385, Nov 14, 2008.

  1. Well, if you wanted to risk 2% per position, you could trade 50% of your money if you had a 4% stop (on your trade setup, assuming no leverage). I like John Carter' idea of determining the size of the stop based on your trade setup and THEN adjusting the amount of money you trade so you're only risking a certain amount. (BTW, I ended up using John Carter' book to develop my own trade setups since I examined his and they didn't seem to work that well but I like the parameters anyway).

    Anyway, I wanted to know if anyone knows of anything like the QLD or SSO but that would be triple leveraged. Also, what is the leveraged DIA?

    If I'm correct, QLD=twiceQQQQ, SSO=twiceSPY but the DIA=twice???
     
    #11     Nov 16, 2008
  2. Because they use credit default swaps to get that additional leverage. It's counterparty risk that is the issue. What if the ETF had a CDS with lehman....:eek:
     
    #12     Nov 16, 2008
  3. Well what happens to your account when ES opens at 820.00 on Monday morning....Most likely if you use leverage your account is blown up. So leverage DOES matter.
     
    #13     Nov 16, 2008
  4. Does anyone know if you can short these etf's
     
    #14     Nov 16, 2008
  5. http://www.proshares.com/funds
    Alittle more than Half way down the page -"Ultra Style"

    Triple Lev is news to me thou
     
    #15     Nov 16, 2008
  6. DDM - Ultra Dow 30
    DXD - Ultra Short Dow 30
    SSO - Ultra S&P 500
    SDS - Ultra Short S&P 500

    Hope this helps.

    Regards,

    T
    http://actionpointsta.blogspot.com/
     
    #16     Nov 16, 2008
  7. Thanks. Yeah, I just found a list. These are a cool idea.

    http://etf.stock-encyclopedia.com/category/leveraged-etfs.html

    I"m amazed PBW (the clean energy ETF) is down so far.

    EDIT: Too bad I can't find a global hedge fund ETF. I know hedge funds are limited to 99 investors but I saw a chart (in the book Inside the House of Money) where they show the difference between the S&P 500 and a global hedge fund index and the difference is amazing.
     
    #17     Nov 16, 2008
  8. Welcome to the latest chips in our casino!
    I normally trade
    SSO (Double Long instead of SPY)
    UWM (Double Long instead of IWM)
    DIG/DUG ( Leveraged Long /Short based on $OSx/$OIX)
    QLD (Double long QQQQ)
    last Friday I tradesd successfully
    BGU (Triple leveraged Long big cap)
    ERX (triple leveraged Energy Long (better than even DIG!) )
    TNA ( Triple leveraged Russel 2000- better than even UWM!)
    The trick is to play small - ladder in and ladder out!
     
    #18     Nov 16, 2008
  9. Those last 3 are brand spanking new?

    What's the spread on 'em? I ask cuz I think I'd wait a few months to bother with them, to build some volume.

    Personally I only trade UYG right now - 2x financials. Never more than a .01 spread, huge volume, and price doesn't "jack" up and down every split second. rather price moves smoothly up or down, very easy to read.
     
    #19     Nov 16, 2008
  10. you can short them thru options...SSO puts & calls
     
    #20     Nov 16, 2008