Day trading is losers game

Discussion in 'Trading' started by oilfxpro, May 17, 2011.

  1. cornix

    cornix

    Why did you decide my intention is propaganda? :)

    My intention is not to let distortion of reality happen.

    I got what you mean. And agree about 90%+ losing. Now tell me, what % of athletes who try to make a career in sports become Olympic winners? No need for exact numbers, just how do you think, what % approximately.
     
    #651     Jul 31, 2012
  2. itt: If most people can't do it, it must be gambling.
     
    #652     Jul 31, 2012
  3. ssss

    ssss

    cornixforex

    Registered: Jan 2011
    Posts: 1281



    07-31-12 01:38 PM
    I changed the question because it's not important how many is "many", whatever you find large enough sample.

    Did I understand you right, that you admit: among all retail traders there can be some who are consistently profitable after making many (thousands) of trades?

    1. Very limited quantities of retail operators ,which play
    Game with odds funamental lower as 50 % ( Dissadvantage)
    with payement 1:1


    can be profitable after long amount of operations

    Ground Very high quantities of all operators - 100 mln

    2. Profitability of this very limited quantities of retail operator's
    in Game with dissadvantage

    is the matter of Fortune ,Game theory
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    not the professionalism
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    Professional - that is VP by Goldman Sachs
    ###########################

    28-30 years old , 1-1.5 mln $ p.a.


    3. In game with dissadvantage result of profitable operators ,which
    make low quantities of operations with high risk is better

    as result of profitable operators with high quantities of operations


    That is full correlated with statistic of real money contest of FXCM

    Approx 1 mln man -attempts for 3 years

    5 best results (from 2400% until 12700 % per month)
    related mostly to one operation with movement 1000 pips or 100 $ XAU/USD
     
    #653     Jul 31, 2012
  4. sheda

    sheda



    :D :D :D :D :D :D
     
    #654     Jul 31, 2012
  5. Paddler

    Paddler

    Oh yeah??? :D :D :D

    Look at how many of his followers spending years to learn and yet never become a profitable trader. It is a hard truth.

    Why so?

    Simple. Some flaws in his thought process and some missing pieces in his methodology.
     
    #655     Jul 31, 2012
  6. ssss

    ssss

    cornixforex

    Registered: Jan 2011
    Posts: 1282



    07-31-12 01:44 PM
    Why did you decide my intention is propaganda?

    My intention is not to let distortion of reality happen.

    I got what you mean. And agree about 90%+ losing. Now tell me, what % of athletes who try to make a career in sports become Olympic winners? No need for exact numbers, just how do you think, what % approximately.

    #########

    Please provide any relevant information ,verified from CFTC

    about retail operator with 1000 operations hit ratio 60%
    by payement 1:1
     
    #656     Jul 31, 2012
  7. cornix

    cornix

    What makes you think there are as many retail traders as 100M people? And among those, how do you think, what is the probability of someone being just "lucky" having say 60% win rate with 1:1 R/R after thousands of trades happened during years?
     
    #657     Jul 31, 2012
  8. cornix

    cornix

    I never said I will provide it to you. I only ASKED QUESTIONS. :)

    Now, you didn't answer my question about athletes. You don't like athletes? Let's try different question: many % of young guys who try to create a rock/pop band become rock/pop stars? :p
     
    #658     Jul 31, 2012
  9. cornix

    cornix

    It looks to me Jack just over complicates trading way too much.
     
    #659     Jul 31, 2012
  10. ssss

    ssss

    cornixforex

    Registered: Jan 2011
    Posts: 1284



    07-31-12 01:53 PM
    What makes you think there are as many retail traders as 100M people? And among those, how do you think, what is the probability of someone being just "lucky" having say 60% win rate with 1:1 R/R after thousands of trades happened during years?

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    Check FXCM real money contest

    3 years = 36 month

    Each account with more as 500 $ automaticaly entry

    50 000 accounts *36 month = approx 1 mln attempts
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    85-90 % all forex account are loosed

    Exist no any winner with 1000 operations
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    http://forexforums.dailyfx.com/king-micro-trading-contest/485819-contest-winner-archive.html

    That is result of winner with most quantities of operations

    China- 1627.14% Survey / Trade Report (.xls version)
    http://media.dailyfx.com/sales/micro/kom_docs/SEP2011/septradereport1st.pdf

    He is not the best and not in top 5
    That is not 1000 operations ,lower ...
     
    #660     Jul 31, 2012