Day trading Future for a living ES YM NQ

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by ksonsinc, May 13, 2006.

  1. they not exactly photocopy of each other, innit, dia is a trackin index not da ym identical twin, there are some differences in da charts..it is evident on dailiy weeklies, look 'em up...by da way we not talkin 'bout big spike but 'bout 10c rapid movement on ym.
     
    #21     May 14, 2006
  2. nlslax

    nlslax

    lwlee - I assume you've traded or looked at the bucketshop FX and now only the futures. From what I've read, that's the way to go. I like the trending too but haven't gone live the futures.

    Which one (EUR, $) would you suggest a trader new to the futures begin with?
    Thanks
     
    #22     May 14, 2006
  3. nlslax

    nlslax

    Agreed. Well worth saving.
     
    #23     May 14, 2006
  4. i'd say 1 out of 100 full time futures traders are still doing it full time 5 years later. actually i can't name 1 person thats been doing this full time every day for a living since 2001. can anyone name 1 person? me myself i had a very erratic performance trying to scalp but holding for 1 -10 days or more i'm running at a 90% win rate for the last 6 months. i just hit the es for 25 pts on a 2 day trade. there's just so many intraday fakeouts i wanted to eliminate that. my bread and butter this year has been stock and options still.
     
    #24     May 14, 2006
  5. lwlee

    lwlee

    If you open an account with IB, you can do both. IB touts their ECN-like IDEALPRO for forex trading. The fact that they route to multiple brokers give them tight spreads.

    But a number of people here have had problems with execution. Do a search. Currency futures trade on Globex, extremely fast and reliable electronic exchange. Instant fills.

    Which one, eur or $? Not sure what you mean. You have a choice of currency pairs to trade. For futures, IB has fewer choices esp with the nonUSD denominated currencies. The one I trade, EUR/USD is the most liquid currency pair traded.

     
    #25     May 14, 2006
  6. on globex execution are very fast indeed'n'durin' major news announcements; liquidity is definetly plenty'n'never missed a fill so far [not many traded by da way]....can't think of a good reason why choosin' ideal over curr futs after all those complains 'bout fills'n'trades disappearin into thin air..
     
    #26     May 14, 2006
  7. Trading YM is the same as trading DIA...
    I would not trade the ETFs as well, those are not stocks...
     
    #27     May 14, 2006
  8. i've been doing futures part time ( i still have a B&M job) for 9 months and am doing well

    i traded my strategies with DIA for some time before delving into YM

    it is very difficult, but i am possibly the most organized, disciplined, anal person when it comes to my trading ,and i think that is the majority of the reason why i am successful

    futures markets will rip yer head off if u don't have discipline and stick to your stops

    i entered this field with the knowledge that over 90% failed. i have succeeded in other areas where over 90% failed, so i had confidence coming in that i could beat the #'s

    i also wrote a 40 page trading manual to assist my trading

    you have to treat trading like a business. it is SO easy to press a button to enter or exit a trade but you can't let the ease of trading mechanics lull you into a false sense of security

    the market wants to take your money. and perverse incentives are created when u are rewarded for doing the wrong thing (like not taking a stop, and then having the trade reverse and make money). that is the WORST thing that can happen because it incentivizes doing the wrong thing

    1) set stop @ entry. ALWAYS
    2) have clearly defined reason for every trade. if it doesn't meet preconceived/formulated criteria for trade entry - don't do it
    3) be patient. be willing to sit at the screen for hours without trading
    4) euphoria is more dangerous than fear. emotions cloud logic.
    5) do the research
    6) go over EVERY trade after the market is closed. every trade. meticulously
    7) do NOT concentrate on the money. concentrate on the setups

    etc.

    and be willing to lose your $$$. if you enter the futures market with money you can't afford to lose, you will lose it. count on it
     
    #28     May 14, 2006
  9. Pabst

    Pabst

    Nice post. Please share some more of the rules discussed in your handbook.
     
    #29     May 14, 2006
  10. "the market wants to take your money. and perverse incentives are created when u are rewarded for doing the wrong thing (like not taking a stop, and then having the trade reverse and make money). that is the WORST thing that can happen because it incentivizes doing the wrong thing"

    I couldn't agree with that more. I learned that from my trading buddy. He gets more upset when he doesn't take a set up and it loses, then when he takes a flyer and it wins because it reinforces bad behavior.

    Most newer traders won't get it. I am glad someone showed it to me. On top of that it ruins your statistical probabliities.
     
    #30     May 14, 2006