Day trading 0DTE Condors

Discussion in 'Options' started by qlai, Feb 4, 2024.

  1. The hitrate is about the same, average profits per day are good. I only open 1 each day (at 9:45), he opens a lot more and closes sometimes in an early stage. Backtest is mechanical, he is trading on own rules..
     
    #11     Feb 5, 2024
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  2. Quanto

    Quanto

    What is your data source / provider: do you use real data or simulated data (GBM)?
     
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    #12     Feb 5, 2024
  3. Real data, 15 minutes. In the backtest i use the high value every 15 minutes for the stoploss.
    Source of data: CBOE datashop
     
    #13     Feb 5, 2024
  4. Quanto

    Quanto

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    #14     Feb 5, 2024
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  5. I get your point. By using an IC you can exactly determine your max loss (2% of net liq). With naked you had a hard time e.g. in aug 2015 (flash crash). And 80% profit a year should be enough :)
     
    #15     Feb 5, 2024
  6. qlai

    qlai

    Yeah maybe you have only one position open, go naked. But once you have a couple open and have profits for the day, start buying wings?
     
    #16     Feb 5, 2024
  7. Quanto

    Quanto

    It seems the purpose of the Long legs is a different one, an interesting & funny reasoning:
    "It’s important to note that the purpose of the long options is not to limit risk but to minimize the cost of the position so you can collect more premium."
    (Source: https://optionstradingiq.com/0-dte-spx-options/ )

    Ie. it seems to be a margin issue: the IronCondor seems to require less margin than the said ShortStraddle or ShortStrangle.
    Can a margin expert confirm this?
    Hmm. could indeed be true, b/c IC caps the losses, ie. is less riskier than the said others.
    But the above quote says it's not for this purpose :). Funny and confusing...
     
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    #17     Feb 5, 2024
  8. taowave

    taowave

    Of course the margin requirement is significantly less on a condor/fly vs a straddle/strangle


     
    #18     Feb 5, 2024
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  9. Quanto

    Quanto

    So then the Long legs serve 2 purposes at the same time: limiting risk AND making the whole cheaper...
     
    #19     Feb 5, 2024
  10. taowave

    taowave

    Yes,and depending whatctype of margin/asset,the difference can be enormous

     
    #20     Feb 5, 2024