Ok, you don't do anything I said. Any evidence I present is just going to be argued (to death) by you. Frankly, as with almost all conversations with you, there is no value in that. This again. So instead of trying to understand why I believe you that said something you didn't you instead say something you did and I don't understand why you believe you said something you didn't instead of something you did and this is unclear. Or something. Or whatever. You have a mastery of the English language that only a madman could appreciate. The only thing that would be better is if you did this in a tongue twister. Could you put one together for me? Squawk squawk! Yeah, you're non-confrontational. If you (and only you) say so!
I agree. No confusion here. Whites don't have to travel to another country to experience it. Many experience it right here in the US.
Sure I can. Lets use your own argument. "Meaningful" in this context is subjective, right? Others find my commentary meaningful, and others don't. Subjective. So the fact that you don't find it meaningful and I think your commentary is worthless means we shouldn't have a conversation. So do us both the favor and stay out of my threads if you don't like my commentary. In fact, you could always put me on ignore. I probably hit too close to the mark on your social status, didn't I.
Often in the past three months watching the dog at our country place react to sounds and passing people/vehicles I am reminded how humans are basically the same from a tribe/pack perspective. We are programmed to differentiate between us and them. Being civilised is really about pushing instinct aside and encompassing a larger group and it is not easy to do for many. The dog (Theo) is eight, spent his first couple of years as a street dog, then was adopted as a finca (country cottage) dog as he had a good bark but was friendly, by a man who trained him to stay quiet when the outside lights were on etc. When that man left the area my father-in-law took him in. He absolutely hates two stroke engines and men who look poor passing by but is OK with kids, women and some men. He barks at everything outside the hedge/fence (you can't see) but he only snarls at a few. He is a great dog for security. In Theo's mind is a very clear memory of these kinds of people have hurt him and others have fed him when he was a street puppy. Raise your arm to stretch too fast and he flattens to the ground with a don't hurt Theo please look. His bark is loud, his bite barely there. I think Trumpers are largely the same. Few to none of them had good parents who kept them entirely safe from the big bad world and they just run on early years programming their whole lives.
Again, no specifics. Debates about generalities go nowhere. Here's what it looks like: You're bad. No, you're bad. No, you're bad. Just reminded myself of one of my favorites:
I've always been interested in pack dynamics; because like you say, they apply to humans as well. Thanks for this interesting story. Believe it or not, I'm sure you do believe this, but I've seen dogs that only bark at dark complexioned people. Apparently, the dog was harmed in a consistent way that led him to profile humans. That's comparable to the little White kid that was bullied in grade school by bigger Black kids, and then grew up having a negative feeling about a whole race of people--until an individual can prove themselves different, or worthy, like Michael Jordan, for example. I think most racist liked Jordan, as long as he kept quiet, and dribbled. Or the dog could have been trained to do that. Which parallels kids being taught to be racist by racist parents or other racist influential figures in their early years. I wouldn't lump all Trump supporters into the same short bus. But I think your analysis applies to many. I've always believed that many of them seem to need a hero in their life. Someone they believe is a super duper strong leader. And like kids putting a pillow case on their back as a cape, and running around with both arms stretched high; they love the feeling Trump's bombastic bullshit brings them. Historically, there have been a few bombastically bullshitting world leaders that have lead their unconditionally loving subjects into utter chaos.
People are tribal by nature. We form communities for self preservation. It’s deep in our DNA. However, historically humans are not racist. If you’ve ever read the Bible, you’ll notice the absence of skin color as people were identified by their nation of origin. Ethiopians were never “black” they were just Ethiopian. Nubians were Nubians. Hittites weren’t Brown they were just Hittites. You’ll even notice this if you’ve ever read Shakespeare. Othello wasn’t black or brown, he was just a Moore. Africans have been in Europe for over a thousand years and Europeans in Africa for the same amount of time. When Mansa Musa made the haj he became famous throughout Europe for his wealth. Not described as “black” but as West African from Mali. It was when slavery became concentrated from Africa for labor in the Americas that skin color became the prevailing descriptive characteristic over nation of origin. To understand why you have to understand the economics of the new world circa 1545 AD was to extract as much wealth as possible and deliver it back to wealthy investors in Europe. (((Asa side note, Christopher Columbus didn’t discover the Americas. How do you discover a place where millions of people already live?))) So not only did slavery meet the needs of the economic system, so did paying white workers poor wages. From this a social structure was created where poor whites would accept their low station because they were better off than the enslaved blacks. Today this social structure still persists in America. Prisons are privately owned and they receive a payment for every prisoner. The justice system disproportionately provides them black prisoners for poverty crimes. Many black Americans are still being bought and sold in a way. Many poorwhites will still accept low wages because the social structure keeps them in a hierarchy above blacks. Again look at the disproportionate incarceration rates, education rates, even interest rates on loans and prices paid for things like cars when controlling factors are similar. Don’t believe me? If you’re white, simply ask yourself would you want to be black in America? Now be honest with yourself. Why do we still have this? Because of profit of course. As long as prisons and healthcare systems and banks are good then why in the world would the politicians want to change anything against their donors will.
I agree with you here. I never said that. I never spoke generally about your commentary. We never debated a general subject. My comments were explaining why I never debate a general subject. Yet, you've once again managed to confuse yourself. I won't limit my speech. See my above response about your misunderstanding. Do you do that on purpose ... misunderstand? I'm not going to ignore you, and your social status banter could have been funnier. Do better.
Very well said! I agree. But I believe another factor is politics. Politicians will make changes if seats/votes are at stake. Riots, strikes, etc. tend to affect the profit margin and may also bring about change. Corporations negatively affected by riots and strikes will also lobby politicians for change. Finally, armed and deadly resistance will also bring about change, like we saw with the Dallas police shootings. In all of these cases, the question becomes, what kind of change comes (permanent, or temporary), and how fast does it come, and to what degree.