Dangers of shorting stocks

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by john7722, Mar 14, 2022.

  1. GotherL

    GotherL

    If you do plan to short those use hard stops and never hold them past market hours.

    I've heard a lot of horror stories about traders losing a fortune holding shorts on microfloats.
     
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    #11     Mar 14, 2022
  2. ValeryN

    ValeryN

    Profitable trader here. Shorted >1000 names over last few years thru borrowing shares. Including GME and most of meme stocks.

    Recommendation:
    1. Define what exactly you're shorting
    2. Get good data and crunch some numbers
    3. Make your own conclusions
    Here is an example:

    All stocks that at least doubled from point of entry till highest intraday high over next 5 days.

    Stocks universe: price above 10$, minimal liquidity filter
    Setup: on the next day after stock started making unusual move, defined as 2 * 10 days ATR
    Entry: limit order at yesterday's

    Test period 2010-now:

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    Conclusion: you have reasonable confidence that stock will not 10x over 5 days period within defined parameters.

    This is just an example. People will make different conclusions as well as have different risk tolerances.

    Generally, reducing short period will significantly reduce your exposure to such moves. Higher priced stocks are much less likely to have them.
     
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    #12     Mar 14, 2022
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  3. jnbadger

    jnbadger

    NLSN is a good example today. The nightmare for shorts happened at 13:18. The only reason I saw it was because it just started hitting my scanner. But the same thing can happen on the long side.
     
    #13     Mar 14, 2022
  4. tomkat22

    tomkat22

    I only do VERY short term shorting but yes the fear of a Buyout is always in the back of my mind. The 3 companies that were bought out today( VOLT,TRQ and NLSN) I see no reason why I would have been holding them short to begin with,although I'm sure some traders were. The amounts those companies popped were extremely painful to shorts and probably triggered margin calls but were not account-ending events,unless you had a ridiculously large position size but that's on you.
     
    #14     Mar 14, 2022
  5. jnbadger

    jnbadger

    Actually, I would like to amend my last comment. Risk of ruin, or risking half your account, or just 5% always comes into play.

    But are there any statistics which show intraday moves like NLSN to the down side as well as upside. IE. take-unders, missed earnings intraday, bad news? I'm on my 26th year, and I don't see down moves like that very often. Up moves like that? A few times per year, at least.

    And it looks like this thing trades at least an average of 5mm per day, so it's not like it wasn't attracting attention.
     
    #15     Mar 14, 2022
  6. jnbadger

    jnbadger

    Agreed. That's all I do when it comes to shorting. NLSN was only down $.5 when the Nasdaq was collapsing, which is nothing for a 17 dollar stock in a volatile market.

    I apologize. I am way off on a tangent from this thread.
     
    #16     Mar 14, 2022
  7. tomkat22

    tomkat22

    Lots of stocks made ridiculous,parabolic moves in 2020 and the early part of 2021. Very dangerous times for shorting. I dont think we're as likely to see that sort of thing in 2022,although it will still happen occasionally.
     
    #17     Mar 14, 2022
  8. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    "Be afraid, be very afraid". :D
     
    #18     Mar 14, 2022
  9. Shorting stocks is extremely risky and shouldn't be taken lightly. It's hard for you as an individual to pressure a company or publish any credible reports that can move the market so I wouldn't count too much on that. On another note, BYND is being shorted like crazy by the hedgie at the moment.
     
    #19     Mar 15, 2022
  10. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Of course but I would bet more money is lost going long but very few ever say it is extremely riiiisky going long.

    Like anything you have to know what you are doing.

    Many stocks have gone to zero, none have gone to infinity.
     
    #20     Mar 15, 2022