Dangerous and sad situation!!

FasterPussycat · Jul 12, 2003

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Thanks Aphie, I will probably come back and use a different identity.

But as you can see already, it only took a matter of minutes for FPC to display his idiocy. And insanity.

And besides, even if my wife is making a bigger issue of this episode than I myself think is reasonable, there is always a certain degree of truth to the old cliche "better safe than sorry".

I will see you around. And I hope your trading and everything else goes well for you. Good luck with Jasper!

My son is now in the Navy. I haven't talked to him yet....they don't allow phone calls from boot camp, and he can't even write until tomorrow (which will be the end of his second week). When I can, I will get his email password, get another alias, and return to ET in a manner that will not make it apparent that I am who I am. I will let some of my "buddy's" who I trust know by PM.

Be cool, and as always,

Peace,
RS
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OPTIONAL777 · Jul 12, 2003

A long time ago, you made a conscious decision to continue a an ongoing posting realtionship with Max. You could have just ingored him and let it go.

However, you chose to continue to engage someone who you labeled as mentally ill, and even suggest that the two of you meet and have dinner. That is sick by any standards of mental health.

I seriously question your sanity in all of this. There is no victim here, just a relationship between two people who fed off of each other, followed by self destruction.

The dance you two did was willing, and perverse from both sides.

p.s.

I remember being married.

I used to call it the marraige penalty.....needing to give into the wife for fear of how she would retaliate.

Once I grew up, into manhood, I realized as a man with choices, I need never give into the hysteria of a woman willingly, only little boys do that.

Bringing you wife into your comments shows me how pussywhipped you really are.

You come off as an eternal victim, victim of Max, victim of you wife, yada, yada, yada.

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Well, it has been a lot of fun. I have enjoyed Elite Trader. I have had laughs and learned a thing or two while here.

But a promise is a promise. Nothing here is worth keeping my wife upset. She is truly agitated about the whole Max issue. And given his history with me, I can see where she is at least justified to have concerns. While I think she is over-reacting, I will honor her request, as always.

RS
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FasterPussycat · Jul 12, 2003

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Well, it has been a lot of fun. I have enjoyed Elite Trader. I have had laughs and learned a thing or two while here.

But on June 24th in a post intended for my friend El Cubano, I made a typo and said I sold my home for "approximately $500K". When in fact it was closer to $400k. I then went on to talk about how my wife and I were looking to move with a budget of about $500K. Whether I was thinking about the 500 budget when I meant to type the 400, and that caused the error, or if it was just a simple typo and nothing more...I honestly don't know. It was a mistake pure and simple.

But then Max401 made a wise-ass post about "waiting" to buy my house (for memorabilia). I said it was already sold, but it was on the market again as a spec. house. The realtor I sold it to bought it with the intent of putting in improvements and making a quick profit. I told him the name of the realtor, and that was a mistake. At the time, I thought Max was done with his efforts to try and dispute and disprove my every word. I thought maybe he had tired of that game. I thought he was sincere about his interest in Florida real estate. I should have known better. His obsession with me was always going to be his primary concern. And of course, he did his research, found my error in the stated sale price of my house, did his sleuthing and exerted his expertise, and made his usual mountain out of a molehill.

Those of you who know how Max401 is when it comes to me, hopefully can understand that there was NO WAY I was going to get away with saying I made a typo, so rather than just saying I made a mistake, I didn't say anything. I know how tenacious Max is, and admitting a mistake was, in my opinion at the time only going to serve to open another door to make things worse. So I let it go. I was very wrong to believe that letting anything go could possibly help avoid more conflict. Nothing could. Of course it ultimately served to do the exact opposite. Again, I should have known better.

For reasons that could only possibly be known to, and understood by Max, he was compelled to make a huge issue over my house. As he has with virtually everything I have ever said on ET that he has read. The incredible amount of time Max has obviously spent researching and studying every post I ever made is truly an astounding feat of dedication.

Now, true to his nature, he tracked down the house, the recorded selling price, etc. I should have seen this coming. Actually I did, but it was too late. And still, I believed Max was harmless. I still think he is harmless. Despite his obsession with me. Do I understand it? No. But I do have to acknowledge it.

Again, as some of you know, I had invited Max to dinner, but he refused it, and kept himself hidden. But apparently, despite the fact that he would not meet me in person, he has pursued his never-ending quest to find out everything about me he could. And this wouldn't bother me in the least. I am not a secretive person. Max is. And that's fine. Everyone is different. There is no right or wrong. Only differences.

However, this whole latest episode bothers my wife and has distressed her greatly (to put it VERY mildly). She is beside herself that Max now knows our names, and possibly more.

She has read a sampling of his posts, and all the very recent ones, and has made me swear to stop posting to ET. She thinks I was very foolish to give out any personal information. Especially, since in her opinion, I had, what is to her, an obvious stalker on my tail. Now I don't take Max as a threat, but I do take my wife's anger as a very real and bad thing. So my decision is very easy. Actually it is no decision at all. It is just the way it has to be. No more ET for me.

My wife is an attorney and as such, and also in her capacity of working to help write legislation against hate crimes, she has heard all the horror stories about stalkers and their obsessions. IMO, she is over reacting, but then again, "stalking laws" exist for reasons. And crimes committed by people who find their victims on the internet are also a sad reality in today's world.

So to comply with her wishes, I have promised her that I would never again log onto ET. I am certain that I will at times take a look to see what is going on, but I will not log on. I will come to the site as a guest. (Sorry Candle, but no more voting in polls for me )

I wish all here great luck and good trading. I will miss some of the members greatly. I will miss MrSub, Nitro, Hapaboy, Magna, BobCathy, Axeman, Commisso (in all his incarnations), ElCubano, AAA, Stu, Dan_M, Candle, Optional777 and his coconspirator Don Bright, Vulture, Gordon Gekko, Aphie, Bung, Alfonso, Kymer (despite our differences), Madison, Tampa, Babak and TriPack just off the top of my head. Even Max himself! There are many others. Hell, I will miss just about everyone except MSFE/Wild. Oh, and of course I have been missing Darkhorse for a long time as we all have.

I will miss participating in this year's fantasy football league (assuming there is one).

I greatly admire what Baron has accomplished. A fine site. While I haven't a lot of experience in what a typical internet forum is like, I recently started going to a BMW owners site to find out things about my new car that I was confused about. This site is so far superior that there is no comparison. So Baron, if you see this post.....congratulations!!! The BMW site, compared to ET, is like comparing an outhouse to Buckingham Palace!!

But a promise is a promise. Nothing here is worth keeping my wife upset. She is truly agitated about the whole Max issue. And given his history with me, I can see where she is at least justified to have concerns. While I think she is over-reacting, I will honor her request, as always.

Again, while I think Max is harmless, and has even been helpful to me (as in when I got a new laptop, and was clueless about some of the features), she does not feel that way. And she is going to have her way. You other guys that are married; I know you know how it is.

It is her "baby brother" that was "Outlaw" and even though he is a huge guy, she will always worry about him as big sisters do. And she has read in too many posts about Max's seeming obsession with him too. And though no one knows exactly where Max lives (or anything else about him really), deductive reasoning tells us that he lives very close to "Outlaw" and this too makes her nervous (though I see no reason for this, but again, I am only complying with her wishes). And knowing how resourceful Max is, it is very likely he will (or at least can) find out where "Outlaw" lives (though her fear to me is irrational...Outlaw is a competitive weightlifter and as I said, a huge guy....out lifts even the "Great MrMarket" by quite a bit...420 lbs bench presses with smaller than 19" arms). Her argument is nobody is ever big enough or strong enough to protect themselves from a "Son of Sam". And that is hard to argue with.

While I personally think Max is harmless, her belief that as a "stalker personality" the statistical chances he is not harmless, to her, warrant doing everything possible to just stay clear of him. Starting with leaving ET.

Max, I wish you peace and good wishes too. I hope maybe you even will find some satisfaction in knowing you have chased me off. Whatever makes you happy. So make your victory post, and please forget about me when you are done with that.

Abusive posts by Fasterpussycat have also made her nervous. Me too. She sees FPC (and I agree with her, as probably many of you do as well) as a guy that seems to enjoy instigating trouble. He has called me names, been abusive towards me (NEVER for any reason...NOT EVER!!!) and referred to my wife directly more than a few times. And to her, his language, his drunkenness, and his proselytizing of the use of steroids (when using his Longshot alias) is a clear sign of a clinical mental case; a person she is extremely nervous about. And since FPC seems to have become Max's new fan, FPC may take me on as an object of obsession. And while Max never worried me, FPC does. He seems potentially dangerous. And certainly mentally ill. Enough will obviously never be enough for FPC. Yesterday in a thread about EBAY, I mentioned a bicycle I wanted to sell. So what did FPC do? He tried to get Max to make an issue about it. Why? Only to be an instigator. No other reason. He just LOVES trouble. And I know that here, Max has to agree with me. As even Max said, "it's just a bicycle".

Max, I implore you to respect our identities. I know you are obsessive, but I don't believe you to be dangerous or evil. But I cannot dismiss FPC as being a potential threat to my family's security and safety. And I sure as hell don't ever want to be in the position to feel I have to answer the door with a gun in my hand. Surely Max, you can see that this is a very uncomfortable situation for me and for my wife. Who would ever argue that FPC is not insane?

So in the cause of safety, common sense, and my wife's far better judgement than my own, I wish all of you all the best and say only FAREWELL. And it's been fun and it's been great! (With an unhappy and far too dramatic ending).

Peace,
RS
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YOU GAVE MAX YOUR PHONE #???? AND YOU CALL ME INSANE?? BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! HAHAH HEEEHEE! WHAT DID YOU EXPECT YOU MAROON?! YOU ARE TOO STUPID! HA!

max401 · Jul 12, 2003

Note to Baron and/or Moderator(s):

Serious accusations levied here. Please do not stop this thread until I have time to compose and post an appropriate response.

max401 · Jul 12, 2003

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

A long time ago, you made a conscious decision to continue a an ongoing posting realtionship with Max. You could have just ingored him and let it go.

However, you chose to continue to engage someone who you labeled as mentally ill, and even suggest that the two of you meet and have dinner. That is sick by any standards of mental health.

I seriously question your sanity in all of this. There is no victim here, just a relationship between two people who fed off of each other, followed by self destruction.

The dance you two did was willing, and perverse from both sides.

p.s.

I remember being married.

I used to call it the marraige penalty.....needing to give into the wife for fear of how she would retaliate.

Once I grew up, into manhood, I realized as a man with choices, I need never give into the hysteria of a woman willingly, only little boys do that.

Bringing you wife into your comments shows me how pussywhipped you really are.

You come off as an eternal victim, victim of Max, victim of you wife, yada, yada, yada.

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Good post, Triple7, although I have to disagree with some of your analysis.

dbphoenix · Jul 12, 2003

I knew in 1995 that it was loony to give out personal information on the net. Anyone who's foolish enough to do so isn't going to generate much sympathy on my part.

Too bad you're leaving, but you pretty much created the situation.

FasterPussycat · Jul 12, 2003

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Error,

Best of luck to you in all endeavors and adventures that await you.

One thing, you always seemed compelled to reply to the larvae. I put these cretins on ignore a long time ago. I have recently taken FPC off ignore because I think he seems to be trying to control his drinking and other drug uses. But even _if_ he said the absolutely worst thing about me, I couldn't care less! Here is a private message to me from Alice=FPC=Longshot=ROCKSOLID=Protrader1=TraderRx = at least 100 more handles:

You give these mental midgets way more credit than they deserve. Although I do not understand your desire to defend yourself against these morons, I can see that it is important to you, and even though I do not understand it, I respect it.

nitro
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Thank you nitro for the kind words. yes we have been getting along quite well together especially recently. BTW, I am not ALICE. And I am not ROCK SOLID etc. Sorry to disappoint you. Peace.

Error 404 · Jul 12, 2003

Ok, I have said my piece. I explained why I feel the safe and smart thing to do is to disappear.

But in the last few moments, I received a few PM's...I would like to share them.

The first is somewhat edited, and obviously there is no need to divulge who it is from. It just sort of seems appropriate. The second couldn't possibly be edited, and besides, everyone would know who it was from whether I gave the name or not. Only one person writes like this, misspellings and all!

#1:

Off the record, Max401 is a very-educated yet disturbed person (i.e. Silence of the Lambs). That is the worst combination, since he is intelligent enough to be dangerous on many fronts.

I don't know who this person is, but I do know that if I ever saw him in a bar, I would kick his ass for spite.

Long story short, I'd hate to see you go. You're not the only person that has been "investigated" by Max. I have no idea how severe his prowling was, but if he took it offline and actually called to get information about your house, that is creepy.

He apparently has a mental disorder that causes him to display a severe overcompensative personality. He doesn't like his position in life and cannot understand why his intelligence has not gotten him further. He also cannot stand the fact that there are other people who are more successful or ambitious than he is.

He needs to get help. He lurks on a board solely to investigate other users who are usually very well off financially. Has he ever contributed to an actual discussion? No. Has he ever praised another user? No. Has he used verbose and flowery language to sound superior to others? Yes. Has he wasted his own time doing throughout detective work solely to harass, discredit or scare other users? Yes.

He's a dick. Everyone knows he's a dick. Maybe people can't see through him, but we can.

Stay around -- please!

yours truly,
"XXXX"
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#2:

HEY WUSS MEISTER!

FasterPussycat wrote on 07-12-03 02:29 PM:
YOU FREAKING WUSSIE! I KNOW WHAT YOUR UP TOO! YOU DONT FOOL ME! YOUR TRYING TO GET ME & MAX KICKED FROM ET! YOUR TRYING TO MUSTER AS MUCH SUPPORT FOR THIS FROM THE GENERAL POPULATION AS YOU CAN!

WELL IT'S NOT GONNA WORK!

I AM ON TOO YOU!

I KNOW WHAT YOUR UP TOO!
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Need more be said? (I would have made FPC's PM to me "anonymous" also, but what would be the purpose? No one else uses all caps and always, always used the wrong homonyms? In this case he went his usual two for two ("your" for "you're", and "too" for "to"). And of course he can't make a contraction work..("dont" for "don't").

There is never mistaking an uneducated moron for anything but an uneducated moron. Or a drunk. But even for FPC it seems a little early to be inebriated (although you never know with a real drunk). In either case, certainly he is a very big exception to what he calls the "general population". Perhaps the best thing about ET is that the members are, on the whole, very bright, and very educated. How FPC found this place will always be a mystery. How he stays here will always be an annoyance to all. I especially feel empathy for the moderators who have to put up with his extreme idiocy.

And no, FPC, I don't want you or Max "kicked from ET". You both serve your purposes here. It's just that for me, I have no use for them!

Max is the resident "investigator" and as for you, every village needs to have it's IDIOT.

FPC couldn't even TRY to disguise himself as "Longshot"..same exact misspellings, same wrong homonyms, same all caps, same insanity.

Peace and goodbye,
RS

FasterPussycat · Jul 12, 2003

Quote from Error 404:

Ok, I have said my piece. I explained why I feel the safe and smart thing to do is to disappear.

But in the last few moments, I received a few PM's...I would like to share them.

The first is somewhat edited, and obviously there is no need to divulge who it is from. It just sort of seems appropriate. The second couldn't possibly be edited, and besides, everyone would know who it was from whether I gave the name or not. Only one person writes like this, misspellings and all!

#1:

#2:

Need more be said? (I would have made FPC's PM to me "anonymous" also, but what would be the purpose? No one else uses all caps and always, always used the wrong homonyms? In this case he went his usual two for two ("your" for "you're", and "too" for "to"). And of course he can't make a contraction work..("dont" for "don't").

There is never mistaking an uneducated moron for anything but an uneducated moron. Or a drunk. But even for FPC it seems a little early to be inebriated (although you never know with a real drunk). In either case, certainly he is a very big exception to what he calls the "general population". Perhaps the best thing about ET is that the members are, on the whole, very bright, and very educated. How FPC found this place will always be a mystery. How he stays here will always be an annoyance to all. I especially feel empathy for the moderators who have to put up with his extreme idiocy.

And no, FPC, I don't want you or Max "kicked from ET". You both serve your purposes here. It's just that for me, I have no use for them!

Max is the resident "investigator" and as for you, every village needs to have it's IDIOT.

FPC couldn't even TRY to disguise himself as "Longshot"..same exact misspellings, same wrong homonyms, same all caps, same insanity.

Peace and goodbye,
RS
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ya! i sent that PM and I stand by it! that's your purpose here. it is YOU who is the instigator! YOU! not me or Max.

I confine myself to CHAT primarily when i have nothing to say or do not wish to say anything.

funny just a few short days ago you invited me to dinner too...

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07-10-03 01:35 PM
RS7,
I'm not emulating Max, I'm just looking for an invitation to dinner

I figure the three of us would have a high old time

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07-10-03 06:07 PM
Re: RS7,

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I'm not emulating Max, I'm just looking for an invitation to dinner

I figure the three of us would have a high old time
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FPC, you would be more than welcome. Max has worn himself and his welcome out.

Peace
RS

seems YOU have a habit of trying to pick up strays from internet message boards. hmmmm, are you lonely? looking to take "walk on the wild side" maybe?? tooo tooo doo doo tooo doo too. LOL!

OPTIONAL777 · Jul 12, 2003

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Good post, Triple7, although I have to disagree with some of your analysis.
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Of course, I know which half you would disagree with Max.