Cutting losses - not the best idea

Discussion in 'Trading' started by mrmarket, Oct 30, 2003.

  1. ...Actaually Axe, I think his rate of return is pretty good....49 winners vs 5 open losers or thereabouts
     
    #151     Jan 15, 2004
  2. axeman, hilarious post about longshot there :D

    -Fast
     
    #152     Jan 15, 2004
  3. So you seem to think that a good company, with a solid business model, can't be sold down below its intrinsic value, and remain oversold for an extended period, even years.

    Right.

    Holding stocks in a bull market isn't the work of genius. If you think otherwise, just look in the mirror.

    Funny how you were not posting here 2 years ago.
     
    #153     Jan 15, 2004
  4. This still tells us nothing.

    Lets say that you put 20% of total equity on each trade.

    As soon as he hits "5 in a holding pattern", he has no money
    to make money with.

    So actual return could range from negative, if you hit the
    losers early in the game, to very positive, if your lucky.


    Also... without stops, what if you started using this in 2001?
    You could easily hit 5 losers that lose 80-90% of their value,
    and hold for over a decade hoping to get your 15%. :D


    Money management can have EXTREME effects on this
    equity curve.

    So I stand by my statement.... completely unknown.

    peace

    axeman


     
    #154     Jan 15, 2004
  5. I understand the concept...but look at his actual holdings....the open positions...he's doing well in publicly documented picks....don't know about his private holdings though
     
    #155     Jan 15, 2004
  6. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Given the number of times that this thread has resurrected itself, I can only assume that mm is a vampire.
     
    #156     Jan 15, 2004
  7. gms

    gms

    49 vs 5 does not give a 'rate of return'. Time is a component in the calculation (missing in mm's calculations) because 15% (before losses are factored in) within 4 months is a different rate of return than 15% (less losses) in 18 months. Furthermore, waiting until if and when 15% gets hit and then making that fit into the parameters of a win/loss ratio is like determining that 100% of everyone on earth is awake because we're only counting those who aren't sleeping until they wake up, if they do. Does that make sense?
     
    #157     Jan 15, 2004
  8. OK....do the the math.....if he made 15% or better on 49 trades......lets assume he lost 100% on the other 5 trades......Im going to go out on a limb and say he has a pretty good over return,,,true or false?
     
    #158     Jan 15, 2004
  9. The man claims to be the best stock picker on the planet, not the best money manager.

    Quick nit-picking and bring him your finest meats and cheeses.
     
    #159     Jan 15, 2004
  10. Turok

    Turok

    >OK....do the the math.....if he made 15% or
    >better on 49 trades......lets assume he lost
    >100% on the other 5 trades......Im going to
    >go out on a limb and say he has a pretty
    >good over return,,,true or false?

    I haven't followed this thread or this guy so my response only relates to the information contained in your above statement.

    No, with the above information you have no idea as to the rate of return because of the lacking time data.

    Of course "pretty good over return" could mean something different that I think it means and in that case I'm useless. (Or as Kerpal would say "I am not knowing")

    JB
     
    #160     Jan 15, 2004