Cutting losses - not the best idea

Discussion in 'Trading' started by mrmarket, Oct 30, 2003.

  1. Romeo

    Romeo

    You were caught lying over and over. Thus, you have no credibility. Weren't you taught that when you lie, you lose credibility? Oh yeah, you went to Wharton.

    "I have 53 consecutive profitable trades of 15% or more"

    "I have 53 consecutive profitable trades of 15% or more"

    "I have 53 consecutive profitable trades of 15% or more"

    See, I only went to city college, but I took statistics, and I know that you have a better chance of winning a $100,000,000 lottery, then accomplishing what you fib about (53 consecutive...).
     
    #91     Nov 4, 2003
  2. what is his point? is he calling me a liar? does he admit my track record is stellar? or does he think this adds up to 3%???
     
    #92     Nov 4, 2003
  3. Romeo

    Romeo

    I don't know if he is, but I am. You are a liar!
     
    #93     Nov 4, 2003
  4. why don't you ask the 352 people who avidly follow me on my website about credibility. There are 352 people who follow me very closely and there's one of you.

    Give it a rest.
     
    #94     Nov 4, 2003
  5. I know about every one of them Mecro. And those old ones ended up in Chit Chat. But mrmarket has returned and wishes to participate in discussions on Elite trader. No he doesn't trade moment-to-moment like you do. In fact, because he demonstrates no real use for TA I consider his methods investing v trading, just like you. But he has a documented record, and although his stoploss criteria is much different than most of ours, his stock selection method is worthwhile.

    It's not necessary for all of us to adhere to the same strategies to participate here. Interestingly, scalping threads tend to attract a lot of naysayers too. LOL, what thread about anything doesn't? :)

    Life is beautiful.
     
    #95     Nov 4, 2003
  6. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    This go-round, MrMarket has been a model of restraint. I suspect that at least one reason why some people are so antagonistic is that they are adhering to the stoploss catechism and losing money left and right, whereas MM is violating the most precious tenet and coming out ahead.

    Methinks I detect the unmistakeable odor of sour grapes.
     
    #96     Nov 4, 2003
  7. Db...excellent point. Allow me to weigh in and address stop losses maybe in support of the TA guys.

    Suppose you are a trader and you really don't understand fundamentals, nor care to understand them, then you might as well have a blind stop loss because you have no idea why a stock moved against you and you want to preserve your capital.

    Where $$$MR. MARKET$$$ comes in is that I, with my Wharton MBA, understand financial statements, business models, strategic management, macroeconomic theory and application, marketing, quantitative price momentum, etc. As a result I know when the market may be moving against me but I also know when the market is being inefficient and I can be patient and wait until the market corrects itself. The proof is in my track record of stocks that were losers that came back extremely strong to be winners.

    The price of a stock has supply and demand baked in, but the derivative of this supply and demand pricing pressure is the fundamental components of the company itself. Hope this helps.
     
    #97     Nov 4, 2003
  8. saxon

    saxon

    The simplest way to look and the "when to take a loss question" is to simply forget about the entry price as soon as the position is opened. It's history at that point, and the only thing that matters is the NEXT order you place.

    For existing positions as well as new positions, the only relevant questions are: "Is it a good buy?" or "Is it a good sell?"

    Unless you are leveraged to the hilt and risk financial ruin if your position moves against you, these are the only important trading considerations at any given time.

    sax
     
    #98     Nov 4, 2003
  9. Excellent Saxon....a stock doesn't know you own it..and it certainly doesn't know what you paid for it...so why should you care what you paid for it??
     
    #99     Nov 4, 2003
  10. Which according to Soros, is affected by the supply and demand. I think it is more complex than you make it out to be! You seem to have a lot of faith in the equilibrium theory of markets......but don't you know equilibrium theory says that successful traders (i.e. those that beat the major indices) can not exist? Isn't that why LTCM failed because they thought that spreads would narrow as a result of equilibrium theory?
     
    #100     Nov 5, 2003