Cut the Crap About Red States Subsidizing Blue States

Discussion in 'Politics' started by exGOPer, Nov 23, 2017.

  1. jem

    jem

    I have voted in all but one of the state and federal elections and most of the local ones since I turned 18. I think I missed one because I had moved and was not allowed to vote back when they actually cared about eligibility.
     
    #51     Nov 25, 2017
  2. jem

    jem

    every poll I have every looked at which revealed the data shows the dems dominate in the high school or lower category. However, many of the polls bury that info.

    it would take a very skewed poll to change that reality.


     
    #52     Nov 25, 2017
  3. UsualName

    UsualName

    No. Again, what you have shown is a survey based on party identification and because democrats outnumber republicans they have an advantage in every education level. This has already been discussed. You and Tom have been provided with numerous sources showing voters of the lowest education chose republicans in the most recent election.

    It did used to be true that lower educated, blue collar workers tended to vote democrat and college degree tended to vote republican but that has not been true for almost a decade.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/
     
    #53     Nov 26, 2017
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    What I would really like to see is a survey which shows the voting habits of people who are on Welfare, Section 8 Housing, or Food Stamps --- and their associated party affiliation. But nobody asks these type of questions in voting surveys.
     
    #54     Nov 26, 2017
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  5. I only looked at the top 10 because the article you linked only showed the top 10.

    But if you want to talk in terms of percentages, how many counties in this country are red? mapred.png

    It's a little like the myth you perpetuate about how your more likely to be killed by a white man than a muslim terrorist in America. Yeah, because they're a tiny portion of the population. When nearly all counties are red, then yeah, red counties are going to be on the top of the list for a lot of things good and bad.
     
    #55     Nov 26, 2017
  6. jem

    jem

    it was a pew survey and they found those with high school or less overwhelmingly were democrats. It was not tilted because there were more democrats in the survey... the found that because that is how the parties break down in America.

    which is no different that what the Wash Post found here in 2006.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/independents/data-year-by-year.html

    and it was no different in 2015...

    Democrats hold a 10-point lead in leaned party identification among those with no more than a high school education (47% to 37%).


    https://www.amren.com/news/2015/04/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/


    So basically you were wrong...
    you can't just hope that the under educated vote republican....you have to check the data.

    For decades the data has always shown those with high school education and less vote overwhelmingly democrat.. unless donald trump or ronald reagan run promising them jobs and a better economy. In which case the working poor switch to some degree and educational level and income are pretty strongly correlated.



    your 538 blog is about Trump. We know trump won a ton of democrats. That does not change the fact that democrats dominate those with high school or less education.

    If you want to discuss this further... bring out the surveys.... as I have.


    Finally, if you go to the areas hiillary won. many of those area areas are low income and low education areas.

    Those are the facts.

     
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    #56     Nov 26, 2017
  7. UsualName

    UsualName

    I don’t care who votes for who or what. The so called less educated are often people with trade skills like electricians and plumbers.

    But, I got to tell you, you are being dense. How can democrats be ahead in every educational level in the survey you cite?

    And, we are not talking about party affiliation, we are talking about voters.
     
    #57     Nov 26, 2017
  8. jem

    jem

    I told you... the stealth vote can explain some of it. and the fact there are a lot of people who claim they are democrats but don't vote or don't have a right to vote.

    you are not accepting facts and ideas that do not fit your lefty weltanschauung.
    you need to compare your beliefs to reality before you post.

    don't forget where hillary got the massive votes... look at the very geographically limited blue areas with massive votes for hillary. How do you think those educational levels stack up?


    L.A unified and the bronx and parts of brooklyn, inner chicago, very south texas, south florida... you know Hillary country.





     
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    #58     Nov 26, 2017
  9. UsualName

    UsualName

    Ok. So we are in an area where you are misinterpreting data and telling me it’s my fault for not following your faulty understanding. You also rely on what you see on tv, that democrat voters are mainly inner city types. I assure you, you are wrong and your data is wrong.

    I don’t care who voted for whom. If you want to live in Lala land and believe in things that aren’t true then that is where you are and what you do.

    Tom B.’s original statement to the effect of, the poorest, least educated people vote democrat is only half true. The least educated people voted Republican in the last presidential election.
     
    #59     Nov 26, 2017
  10. jem

    jem

    this is why you can't argue with a lefty... they don't acknowledge facts.

    I told you every poll I have ever read shows those with high school education and lower are democrats. you asked me to back up my statement.

    I backed it up with polls from pew and the washington post.
    I also explained how it matches reality.

    Yet somehow you twist everything that I said and present a steaming pile of contorted bullshit to get around the fact you were dead ass wrong and made shit up.



     
    #60     Nov 26, 2017