Cushing predicting another crash in oil prices?

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by Error Correction Funder, Apr 10, 2018.

  1. Have you compared Cushing inventories to the oil price?

    It's pretty astounding how well it coincides to predicts. We'll see if its perfect record remains intact if Cushing inventories continue to spike, and oil collapses within the next couple months or so.
     
    #31     Apr 11, 2018
  2. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    What are you calling a collapse? A 3 pt pullback? LOL. If that is the case then ironically we are in agreement. The problem I have with many people on ET is the constant use of hyperbole. What many ETers call crashes are like normal down days or weeks. Oil has made 100% moves in a single session.
     
    #32     Apr 11, 2018
  3. bone

    bone

    Cushing, Oklahoma accounts for 13 percent of U.S. crude oil storage. It just happens to be the specified physical delivery point for a popular futures contract of which maybe 99% gets offset prior to expiry. You know nothing, Jon Snow. :D
     
    #33     Apr 11, 2018
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  4. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    He is confusing correlation with causation.
     
    #34     Apr 11, 2018
  5. bone

    bone

    There are some very unique quirks and idiosyncrasies that are specific to the energy markets - many of them are legacies from decades ago that are far less relevant than they used to be. As I mentioned previously, Cushing OK happens to be the specified physical delivery point for a popular futures contract of which maybe 99% gets offset prior to expiry. A whole lot has changed with the North American hydrocarbon market since the time NYMEX formulated the WTI contract specs. In fact, several years ago, there was talk in Houston about the requirement for Cushing delivery to be modified as it was outdated and getting more and more irrelevant.
     
    #35     Apr 11, 2018
  6. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    To your point earlier, the CME is actively trying to launch a Midland WTI contract. There is obviously already a swap from WTI-Midland that trades as a differential that is very active in the physical market, but CME wants to have a standalone futures with Midland as the price marker.
     
    #36     Apr 11, 2018
  7. bone

    bone

    If you truly want to do a deep dive into US Crude Oil Storage, you need to start with a high dive from the top platform into the EIA PADD data. Any hack journalist or market blogger can quote Cushing - it's easy. It's also incomplete at only 13 percent of U.S. storage.

    The sources that do the deep dive into all the EIA PADD data you pay for (Platt's comes to mind). Like a pretty fetching blond sitting at a bar, any physical trader glances his lusting eyes first at the Gulf Coast region. (That's where all the refineries are. You can't dump unrefined light sweet crude oil directly into your Porsche GT-3.)

    The PADD data does not include Hardisty, Alberta - which is a big deal quite frankly. Remember all the political controversy surrounding the Keystone XL and the Dakota pipelines ? That was all about getting oil from the Hardisty, Alberta terminal to U.S. Refineries without paying Warren Buffett's RailRoad his ransom.

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    #37     Apr 11, 2018
  8. punisher

    punisher

  9. Oil supplies have fallen before in Cushing for a variety of seasonal or market-driven reasons. But this time, there is no shortage of crude in the market. In fact, U.S. production is straining pipeline and storage capacity.​

    Interesting.

    Same thing happened in 2014.
     
    #39     Apr 15, 2018
  10. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    I have no idea what you are talking about. Global supply has not been this tight in a long time.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...d-for-opec-as-oil-stocks-shrink-idUSKBN1HK0WN
     
    #40     Apr 15, 2018