Crypto Market is a place for real speculators ;

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by Fx-Game, Apr 30, 2020.

  1. 16k???
    Are you sure ?
    Thats more than the notional value of the contract /BTC
     
    #11     Apr 30, 2020
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  2. maxinger

    maxinger

    yes. it is $16k margin

    and palladium? $48k !!!!
     
    #12     Apr 30, 2020
  3. Nobert

    Nobert

    Contradicting.

    I wouldn't trade at all, - if i couldn't
    and trading with leverage while you don't know how to do it in the first place, is twice as bad.

    I wouldn't use leverage nor i would touch CFD's.
    (actually CFD's is a great example of the nasty side of this business, it's like selling a $40 print of a Mona Lisa and telling that it's an original. Just $799 999 960 cheaper)

    This is one of my shower time realizations :
    (again, thank you the unconscious mind)

    the list of products, that by default - reduces your chances of success , because they have time limits effecting their state :
    (and other rights, that doesn't belong to the trader, but other parties)

    CFD's
    Leverage
    Margin account overall
    Options
    Futures
    Being short

    The game is rigged to prolong or to fasten up, price action into one or another direction and traders have no power over it. If one thinks that he has the power and he actually does, then SEC will knock into the doors quite soon.

    The worst case, when someone takes a fundamental garbage like some unknown shitcoin and use one of those tools for it, or even few of em, to trade it.
    E.g Shitcoin futures , with leverage.

    Asta la vista & welcome 90/90/90 sir, we been waiting for you.



    In the other hand, when you go long, into fundamentally strong company & with no leverage, but ,,pure'' equity position, no one,

    no one, - can kick us out.

    ddd.jpg
    (unless it's another Enron, then , damn, bad luck)

     
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    #13     Apr 30, 2020
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  4. kaizer

    kaizer

    I am happy with my 10+ ticks per day at Euro Bund future with size and never ever will participate fast moving markets because (one of many reasons) of operational risk. Escpecially dangerous fast markets are for newbies who are tempted by 'get rich quick' on crypto trash.
     
    #14     Apr 30, 2020
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  5. MrMuppet

    MrMuppet

    Do you really have to put down 16k margin to trade this shitty contract on CME?

    It's too large, it's margin inefficient and it doesn't trade on the weekends? Nobody trades this, except for a couple of Hedge Funds who are too scared or too stupid to dive into crypto native derivatives
     
    #15     Apr 30, 2020
  6. Unfortunately, there is not enough liquidity in this "thing" called BTC. You can get a heart attack trying to place $100M or liquidate $100M open positions.

    A couple of retail outlets have lost a shirt and trousers "speculating" in that thing and terminated their B Book profits....
     
    #16     Apr 30, 2020
  7. maxinger

    maxinger

    For today, you should be able to get at least 50 ticks longing bund
     
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    #17     Apr 30, 2020
  8. orbit23

    orbit23

    Stocks are moving much more than cryptos are these days...

    What i believe is happening, the same behavior that crypto has, stocks will have for the next 10-20 years, because Bitcoin was a bubble and it traded purely on speculation and emotion(fundamentals are irrelevant), and now kinda the same is happening in stocks.
     
    #18     Apr 30, 2020
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Nonsense, sure the market is turbulent right now but all this QE makes it impossible to speculate. Crypto remains intra day volatile albeit not as much as before. BTC doubled in price in what, the last two months?
     
    #19     Apr 30, 2020
  10. kaizer

    kaizer

    sadly, i'm not so good
    10+ is long time averaged result
    for last high volatility market the result is higher but still far from 50

    but the point is: it is possible to get money from market in much less dramatic manner than trading todays oil or crypto or penny stocks, and it is escpecially true for beginners
     
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    #20     Apr 30, 2020
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