Crude Oil

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by JFonseca, Apr 4, 2020.

  1. Atikon

    Atikon

    Don't you think the storage problem was priced in at the latest after Trump said the US wouldn't cut/let market go? Should have been priced in back then, what has changed? I only see the Chinese taking less than expected Oil
     
    #191     Apr 17, 2020
  2. I think market was overly optimistic and was pricing in a possible 20M bpd cut with the US sharing a good portion of the burden. They only got a 9.7M bpd with zero contribution from the US. All US production cuts have been involuntary shut-ins caused by market forces. So the less than 10M bpd cut with no firm commitment from the US was very disappointing, to say the least.

    Market is quickly realizing that the desperate US shale companies won't stop producing until there's nowhere to store it, which could happen sometime in May.
     
    #192     Apr 17, 2020
  3. Overnight

    Overnight

    We've pretty much rolled over to June contract. Keep that in mind.
     
    #193     Apr 17, 2020
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  4. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Read today, I forget where, that the Saudi's shipped big quantities to the U.S. in March and even bigger so far this month and bigger yet coming in May. The biggest refinery in the gulf (the U.S. gulf that is) is own by Aramco. So ....
     
    #194     Apr 17, 2020
  5. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    #195     Apr 17, 2020
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  6. Atikon

    Atikon

    #196     Apr 17, 2020
  7. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    I actually used to be in the biz - Bowling Green downtown NYC. Long time ago. But on the dry cargo side.

    But there are ways to track for free. Just a lot of little detail work that I can't be bothered with. Especially being a daytrader and all.
     
    #197     Apr 17, 2020
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  8. The next front month contract, WTI June (CLM20), has huge downside risk (20%+) if depressed demand conditions don't change. I read somewhere it could easy drop from current $25 to $20, since it will be the next month to have exaggerated contango as storage tanks fill up.
     
    #198     Apr 18, 2020
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  9. JFonseca

    JFonseca

    CRUD is following BCOMCL. BCOMCL has rolled over from May20 to Jul20 and in August will roll over to Sep20. And in October will roll over to Nov20. In my point of view this:
    1- Reduces the impact of Contango
    2- Reduces the impact if SPOT price goes negative in May or June (until third Friday of June)
    3- If WTI only reaches 40USD by year end CRUD will get marginal profits
    Am I correct in my assumptions?

    What happens to JUN20 if spot goes negative? Is it worth 0USD?

    At the moment JUL20 is at 24,24. If before roll over spot is at 30, does it mean that BCOMCL and CRUD will also see a 23,8% increase?
     
    #199     Apr 19, 2020
  10. maxinger

    maxinger

    Down it goes to 14.5

    is it trying to reach level 10?

    demand for oil is so weak.
     
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2020
    #200     Apr 19, 2020