Criminalizing Criticism of Israel

Discussion in 'Politics' started by sameeh55, May 7, 2009.

  1. Tresor

    Tresor

    I found this act neutral. I found it also sensible.

    Indeed, the claim of articles quoted by sameeh55 saying that the freedom of speech would be limited, seem to be paranoic.

    Assuming the website quotes the whole text of the act, it is short. I found there nothing that suggest that criticising Israel or Jews is synonimous with being a criminal.

    You made valid / logical and sensible points that convinced me. There is no need to insult / fight people. Please fight views that you disagree, not people. Offensive words only stir up hatred.


    Again, fight views, discuss facts, present your cast on the issue using logic and facts, just as you did in this post. No need to insult people.
     
    #61     May 10, 2009
  2. You are honestly hopeless. Palestine is not warsaw ghetto for many reasons.

    Palestinians became occupied as a result of a DEFENSIVE war that Israel fought for its self preservation. Warsaw became occupied as a result of an offensive war for world domination launched by Germany. And furthermore, neither East Germans nor Japenese launched intifadas and suicide bombers to try to resist occupation. Japanese had kamikazis during WWII but not after. If you try to resist occupation violently, you accept the consequences. The reason gaza is a "ghetto" as you say is because israel wanted to restrict the flow of suicide bombers and bombers into the country. Warsaw jews did not launch suicide attacks on germans to make them "wall them in" germans did it because of crazy ideology.

    Despite what people in that region think, it is not israel's objective to exterminate palestinians.

    If you looked at palestinians the way a person would look at american indians your life would be simpler. Indians lost their land and it is a historically moot point now whether it was fair or unfair. Concept of "getting over", "facing the music" and "accepting reality" comes into play. This is just the way it is. You don't see mexicans launching suicide bombers over land US annexed through aggressive wars. You also don't see american indians launching suicide bombers out of their reservations.

    Fact there was no country named palestine before israel, there was just a mandate to create 2 states

    Fact palestinians in the region were far from prosperous or productive and their plight (and plight of arabs in the region in general) is not due to israel or usa. The arab countries in the region are backward due to AN INFERIOR WAY OF LIFE or "flawed national character" as I would say.

    I believe that people are elevated over other people not to due to inherent (intellectual) superiority, but due to "superior way of life", "superior values". I believe you can take a newborn or even an infant from any culture and if you raise them properly they would fit right in.

    Now when you are dealing with countries that:

    a)Are not secular and espouse what a particular bufffoon said 1400 years ago

    b)totalitarian or authoritarian regimes, lack of freedom of the press, peaceful assembly, self expression "pursuit of happiness", inadequate justice systems

    c)dilapidated infrastructure.

    d)Inferior banking systems and laws

    e)inferior medical facilities

    f)inferior educational systems
    etc., etc.

    If you notice many if not all arab/muslim countries have at least one of those attributes. And those have NOTHING to do with usa or israel. I correctly identified arab mentality a few threads ago where I said that part of the "psyche" of people in the region is a historical resentment towards western powers for shaping the destiny of that region for their benefit. But the only reason they were able to do so, was because countries they were manipulating were backward to begin with. But as I also said, very few people on the planet are capable of objectively assessing their "national character" I have never found a person from a truly backward thirld world country to say that our country is backward because our values are backward. It was alway some dictator or some bad luck or they avoided the matter altogether.

    The phrase above should be the answer to palestinian desire for independence.
     
    #62     May 10, 2009
  3. "People are understandably suspicious and skeptical of each and every one of such accusations and/or posters."

    It is called paranoia...and it is a mental disorder.

    Damaged goods...

     
    #63     May 10, 2009
  4. Tresor

    Tresor

    There was one Jewish uprising / intifada / powstanie / Aufstand against the Germans in Warsaw Ghetto:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising
     
    #64     May 10, 2009
  5. You have to understand that Sameeh did not just make an honest mistake. He and his ilk wage global PR jihad to demonize and delegitimize Israel and the Jews. They concoct lies, distort facts, spread propaganda, manipulate quotes and events taking them out of context, throw as much dirt as possible and see what sticks, they open tens of thousands websites to publish baseless anti-Israel and anti-semitic lies and then use those websites as if they were legitimate and unbiased sources.

    One such lie was just [easily] debunked but they will be spreading 10 more similiarly baseless lies tomorrow. No one has the time to do the research and prove each of their lies, half-truths and distortions wrong. And that's why these people have to be exposed for who they actually are - nazis, anti-semites, islamofascists, fringe west hating uber-liberals. So that people like you when running into their websites, articles and posts knew who you're dealing with and take whatever propaganda they are spewing with a huge grain of salt.
     
    #65     May 10, 2009
  6. Tresor

    Tresor

    Okay Guys,

    I was convinced by the evidence provided by a_person that the freedom of speach is not threatened by resolutions of the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act. I believe this Act is not harmful for liberties.

    Let's close the thread unless someone comes up with valid evidences that prove contrary.

    Let's move our disputes to other politics threads :D
     
    #66     May 10, 2009

  7. This is why I hate internet forums. Out of everything I wrote you take a meaningless(and wrong) snippet to argue.
    Apparently someone can't read. I said jews did not launch the uprising to make germans "wall them in". Germans created the ghetto BEFORE there were any uprisings(1940 to be exact and uprising you reference started in 1943). Here sameeh is surprised that israelis want to create walls to separate themselves from suicide bombers, bombers and various douchebags from hamas/hezbollah.

    Israel is the only country I know of that has MANDATORY military service for women. This certainly does not come from a good life. Most of israeli prime ministers have been former generals. That is not an accident either.
     
    #67     May 10, 2009
  8. Tresor

    Tresor

    Hello IShopAtPublix,

    My post about the fact of the Jewish uprising in the ghetto was neither to argue with you nor to support you. Purely for information purposes.

    I just recollected the uprising from my history lessons when you mentioned the Warsaw ghetto.

    No resemblance / difference between the Jewish uprising in Warsaw and the Palestinian uprising in Gaza was intended to be implied via my post.

    Regards
     
    #68     May 10, 2009
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    #69     May 10, 2009
  10. And ain't that so? But don't take my word for it, check out KKK/White Power/StormFront websites and see for yourself.

    More relevant though, there is absolutely nothing in this and "Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009" legislatures that will criminalize these actions which was the primary point of this thread and my rebuttal.

    You're one funny clown, Ahmed, go beat your wife you Islamofascist psychopath.
     
    #70     May 10, 2009