Creationism explained

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by Frederick Foresight, Jul 14, 2022.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    Ya, let's ignore for a moment how life was created and turn to another point....
    What proof have you the bible is God's creation?
    And for gawds sake, don't quote any bible testimony.
     
    #11     Jul 15, 2022
  2. The Jewish people and their coming back to Israel.

    People rejected God first. At first is was Adam and Eve. Then their descendants before the flood as a whole became very evil. God started over again with Noah's family, but once again people turned from the knowledge of God even during Noah sons' lifetimes when they built the Tower of Babel for idolatry.

    After so much rejection, it is actually surprising that God would still seek out people for a relationship, but thankfully he did. God decided to make for Himself a people group from one man, Abraham, who passed a test, namely obeying God when it came to his beloved son Isaac. Because of Abraham's obedience, God promised to choose to work with his descendants in a way that they would be a source of the knowledge of God for the rest of the nations.

    So you asked for evidence without Bible verses, so there you have it.

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    However, here are some Bible verses showing that I'm not making up what I just wrote:

    [Moses speaking]
    5 See, I have taught you decrees and laws as the Lord my God commanded me, so that you may follow them in the land you are entering to take possession of it.6 Observe them carefully, for this will show your wisdom and understanding to the nations, who will hear about all these decrees and say, “Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.”
    Isaiah 4:5,6 NIV

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    “This is the ordinance of the Passover: No foreigner shall eat it."​
    Then exceptions are made, including an exception for
    "And when a stranger dwells with you and wants to keep the Passover to the Lord..."​
    Because the law was given for both the Israelites and foreigners:
    "One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you.”
    Exodus 12:43, 48, 49 NKJ​

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    Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say, “The LORD will surely separate me from his people”
    Isaiah 56:3
    And then from the story of David and Goliath:

    45 David said to the Philistine, “You come against me with sword and spear and javelin, but I come against you in the name of the Lord Almighty, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied.46 This day the Lord will deliver you into my hands, and I’ll strike you down and cut off your head. This very day I will give the carcasses of the Philistine army to the birds and the wild animals, and the whole world will know that there is a God in Israel.47 All those gathered here will know that it is not by sword or spear that the Lord saves; for the battle is the Lord’s, and he will give all of you into our hands.”
    1 Samuel 17:45-47

    And this was written by Isaiah about 700 years before Jesus:

    Indeed He says,
    ‘It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
    To raise up the tribes of Jacob,
    And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
    I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles,
    That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.
    ’ ”
    Thus says the Lord,
    The Redeemer of Israel, their Holy One,
    To Him whom man despises,
    To Him whom the nation abhors...

    Isaiah 49:6,7 NKJV
    The last bit, in red, is unrelated to the topic, but it does reveal that it's people who have rejected God first and it is God who seeks us out for reconciliation with Himself. It all ties together...Abraham was blessed because he was willing to give up his son but didn't have to actually follow through, however God did give up His Son. The Passover lamb was a symbol of substitution and safety provided by the physical blood of the lamb and is remembered to this day. Jesus died over Passover as He is the fulfillment of the feast. His blood satisfies God's wrath against us in a way that animal sacrifices couldn't because they couldn't actually take away sins. The animal sacrifices were God's instructions to prepare for Jesus sacrifice showing that this was God's plan all along. It wasn't something recently invented. The first animal sacrifice took place in the Garden of Eden just after Adam and Eve first sinned.

    When Jesus died, He said, "It is finished." The judgment for sins was meted out and paid in full. The only thing left is each person's response. Will you continue to despise and abhor God or will you receive the free gift of pardon through Jesus' shed blood and resurrection?

    Sorry, I got a carried away with the evangelical part, but since you said I write too much and you don't read it anyway, I guess it doesn't matter. :D
     
    #12     Jul 15, 2022
  3. themickey

    themickey

    What part of
    didn't you understand? :)
     
    #13     Jul 15, 2022
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  4. themickey

    themickey

    That bit was right :)
     
    #14     Jul 15, 2022
  5. I answered you first WITHOUT Bible verses. Then I drew lines and announced that I was going to use Bible verses (below the lines). So the Bible verses are like an appendix to the reply, but the reply doesn't have any Bible verses, just like you wanted. :D
     
    #15     Jul 15, 2022
  6. Overnight

    Overnight

    Your opinion is not evidence.
     
    #16     Jul 15, 2022
  7. themickey

    themickey

    There's just as many jews out there as in Israel.
    Example, after WW2, many dutch people left Holland, now Holland is still full of dutchies but that doesn't mean they've all come back.
     
    #17     Jul 15, 2022
  8. themickey

    themickey

    #18     Jul 15, 2022
  9. Today
    There are Christians in every country.

    I guess I should explain. Israel's existence and history is evidence of God's special workings with them. But since Jesus came to earth, it is Christians who are tasked with being witness to the world. Israel is still around, and God's will restore Israel again to Himself in a way where the whole world will know that God will dwell in Israel in that future time, in the Temple that is yet to be built but described in Ezekiel. Right now, He is not dwelling there physically, but He is everywhere in Spirit.
     
    #19     Jul 15, 2022
  10. I agree. That's why I quoted the Bible at the end of the post.:)
     
    #20     Jul 15, 2022