Crash Monday? SVB contagion, VIX spike

Discussion in 'Trading' started by KCalhoun, Mar 12, 2023.

  1. Overnight

    Overnight

    That is curious. You are expecting the VIX to drop so via futures you are shorting VX, but also shorting the ES? Why would you not do a short 3 VX/Long 1 ES? And even better, what about a NVIX short/long NQ, since it has been doing well on the whispers of a fed pause?

    (Granted, I have never looked at the NVIX futures, don't know it's volume or PA.)
     
    #451     Mar 17, 2023
  2. destriero

    destriero


    NVIX trades by appt.

    Modeling 25 raise -> ostensibly neutral to bullish -> SPX up 50? -> VIX down 150-200 beeps.
     
    #452     Mar 17, 2023
  3. Overnight

    Overnight

    Right. So if SPX is neutral to bullish by a guesstimate of 50, why do a short 3 VX/short 1 ES? What am I missing here?
     
    #453     Mar 17, 2023
  4. destriero

    destriero


    Time as synthetic vol. Street assigns a figure in realized vol on the meeting -> volatility trades (-)volcorr to index price -> mkt rallies on Fed -> VX drops 200 beeps -> index drops 1SD on Fed -> VX flat to up small, ES short outperforms. Modeling optimal entry exactly 24h before rate decision.
     
    #454     Mar 17, 2023
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  5. Overnight

    Overnight

    Dayum, that is some extreme timing. Well, will be fun to see how that plays out Tues-through Wed.
     
    #455     Mar 17, 2023
  6. destriero

    destriero


    You can do it any time you like. You don't want to do it moments before the decision, but the morning of the decision is fine.
     
    #456     Mar 17, 2023
  7. Overnight

    Overnight

    Well, you said the optimal timing would be ~ 2PM ET Tuesday. But I don't trade options as you know. What I meant was that it will be interesting to see how it plays out if you take that trade.
     
    #457     Mar 17, 2023
  8. destriero

    destriero

    futures.
     
    #458     Mar 17, 2023
  9. wildchild

    wildchild

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, now whats up, Doug?
     
    #459     Mar 17, 2023
  10. Overnight

    Overnight

    Right, right. I re-read it. Whenever I see you type something like "Time as synthetic volatility" I don't equate that as a futures thing. Never thought of futures in those terms, so my brain goes "dest is on about options", lol. Tunnel vision, as it were. My bad.
     
    #460     Mar 17, 2023