CPI will come in weak...Stock Index will SOAR

Rickshaw Man · Dec 12, 2022

M.W. said:
What the market has not comprehended and priced in yet is that rates will stay high for the entirety of next year after another 50bps rate hike Q1/Q2 2023. There are a lot of pundits out there who forecast rates to be lowered 2023, none of which is reflected by any communication or rhetoric of the Fed.

The slightest flare up of battle in Ukraine or stronger wording out of Russia will see oil back to 90 levels, and that is without even accounting for the possibility that China is making its move yet. China knows it has the west in a tight grip by withholding production. Western manufacturing can't move out of China this fast. The absolute earliest any of Chip manufacturing in the west starts operating is 2024.

Most tech stocks are still way too expensive to pose any value proposition to large players. The only way to get any of them committed would be a severe form of fomo. But that requires a catalyst that I don't see anywhere on the horizon.
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You need to find the investing forum. I don't always win. Just make sure and check back on Wednesday after the CPI is released. This position will be worth much more than this.

s trader · Dec 12, 2022

Rickshaw Man said:
How do I know, Crude is much weaker, it's that simple. Position for blast-off.
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Last time the news was bad and a big drop but it got back up. This time i know what to do.

M.W. · Dec 12, 2022

Pretty much perfectly aligned with what I think and have been saying.

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bloomberg.com

Fed’s Message That Rates Will Stay on Hold for ‘Some Time’ Clashes With 2023 Rate-Cut Bets

Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell has history on his side as he and colleagues split with Wall Street over how long interest rates will stay high in 2023.

After the fastest tightening of monetary policy since the 1980s, the central bank looks set on Wednesday to increase its benchmark rate by 50 basis points in a downshift after four straight 75 basis-point moves to curb inflation.

Such a move — widely flagged by officials — would lift rates to a 4.25% to 4.5% target range, the highest level since 2007. They’re also likely to signal another 50 basis points of tightening next year, according to economists surveyed by Bloomberg, and an expectation that once they reach that peak, they’ll stay on hold through all of 2023.

Financial markets agree on the near-term vision, but see a rapid retreat from peak rates later next year. That clash could be because investors expect price pressures to ease faster than the Fed, which worries inflation will prove sticky after getting burned by a bad call it would be transitory. It could also reflect bets that rising unemployment will become a more weighty Fed concern.

This week’s meeting in Washington is a fresh opportunity for Powell to hammer home his point that officials expect to hold rates high to defeat inflation — as he did in a Nov. 30 speech when he stressed policy would stay restrictive “for some time.”

Over the last five interest rate cycles, the average hold at a peak rate was 11 months, and those were periods when inflation was more stable.

“The Fed has been pushing the message that the policy rate is likely to remain at its peak rate for a while,” said Conrad DeQuadros, senior economic adviser at Brean Capital LLC. “That is the part of the message that the market has consistently not gotten. The estimates of the degree to which inflation will come down are too optimistic.”

At play in the tension between Fed communication and investors are two distinct visions about the post-pandemic economy: The view in markets shows a credible central bank quickly putting inflation on a path to its 2% goal, possibly with the help of a mild recession or disinflationary forces that kept prices low for two decades.

The yield curve — as measured by the gap between 10- and 2-year Treasury yields — is inverted by the most since the 1980s, a signal traders see an economic downturn ahead.

Financial markets “are simply pricing in a normal business cycle,” said Scott Thiel, chief fixed income strategist at BlackRock Inc, the world’s largest asset manager.

A competing view says supply constraints will be an inflationary force for months and maybe years as redrawn supply lines and geopolitics affect critical inputs from chips and workforce talent to oil and other commodities.

In this thesis, central banks will be wary of progress on inflation, which may only be temporary and could be vulnerable to the emergence of new frictions that cause price pressures to linger.

“Strategic competition” is inflationary, says Thiel. “We expect inflation to be more persistent but also expect the volatility of inflation, and for that matter economic data more broadly, to be higher.”

Swaps traders currently bet the funds rate will crest just under 5% in the May-June period, with a full quarter point reduction coming through by around November and the policy rate ending next year at about 4.5%.

The projected Fed rates path would mark an unusually quick declaration of victory over inflation that is now running three times higher than the Fed’s 2% target.

“The futures curve is a manifestation of the success or failure of the FOMC’s communication policy,” said John Roberts, the Fed Board’s former chief macro modeler who know now runs a blog and consults with investment managers, referring to the Federal Open Market Committee.

Read More: Yield Curve Is Telling Us Next Fed Cutting Cycle Could Be Big

It’s also not only the timing for the start of cuts but just how much money market traders see coming that is beyond the historic norms. The over 200 basis points of upcoming Fed rate reductions now priced into futures markets is the most ahead of any policy easing cycle back through 1989, according to Citigroup Inc.

Futures contracts imply the Fed will call a halt to rate cuts around mid-2025, according to Bloomberg data.

Fed officials haven’t completely ruled out a quick deceleration in inflation. John Williams, the New York Fed president, said he expects the rate of inflation to halve next year to about 3% to 3.5%.

Goods price inflation has started to cool off and softening rates for new leases on homes and apartments should eventually feed into lower reported shelter costs. Services prices, minus energy and shelter, a benchmark highlighted by Powell in a recent speech, decelerated in October.

Investors are also optimistic on price pressures. Pricing in inflation swaps and Treasury Inflation Protected Securities predict consumer prices falling sharply next year.

Read More: Deutsche Bank Strategist Says Inflation Fear Fading Too Fast

But there are also signs that the road back to the Fed’s 2% goal could be long and bumpy.

Employers added jobs at a pace of 272,000 a month over the past three months. That’s slower than the 374,000 average in the previous three months, but still robust and one reason why demand is holding up.

Historically, Fed officials note, there is an sticky quality to inflation, meaning it takes a long time to wring it out of the millions of pricing decisions businesses and households make each day.

They are also measuring the achievement of their policy as securing 2% inflation, not 3%, and may be reluctant to start reducing borrowing costs if inflation gets stuck above their target.

Williams, for example, said he doesn’t expect any cuts in the benchmark lending rate until 2024 even though he expects a decline in inflation measures next year.

“People like to focus on things going back to where they were. But the trend” of higher rates “can last for quite a while,” said Kathryn Kaminski, chief research strategist and portfolio manager at AlphaSimplex Group. “That’s something people are underestimating.”

— With assistance by Alexandre Tanzi, Simon White and Garfield Clinton Reynolds
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M.W. · Dec 12, 2022

Demand from China should increase and hence prices should go higher which they do. You have it the wrong way around.

SunTrader said:
China dramatically loosening Covid restrictions means they are seriously concerned about their growth prospects next 6-12 months - so commodities, almost across the board not just oil, are down.

IMO long is likely wrong.
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SunTrader · Dec 12, 2022

Ummm, maybe it's nothing:-

emulimu · Dec 12, 2022

SunTrader said:
Ummm, maybe it's nothing:-

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The Hound of the Baskervilles

When a reliable chart pattern or indicator does not lead to the action you expect and prices move in the opposite direction, this is what Dr Alexander Elder referred to as "The Hound of the Baskervilles" signal.
When a Head & Shoulder pattern gives a strong sell signal but the market refuses to collapse and rallies from the right shoulder, it gives the Hound of the Baskervilles signal. When prices rise above the 'head', it is time to cover shorts, reverse, and go long.... ( page 105, Trading For A Living - Elder)

KCalhoun · Dec 12, 2022

If spy flips green at 830 I'll sell the 2k uvxy I bot eod today and buy SOXL TQQQ . If it goes down I'll double UVXY

TheDawn · Dec 13, 2022

Rickshaw Man said:
How do I know, Crude is much weaker, it's that simple. Position for blast-off.
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But crude is not the only factor that determines inflation.

TheDawn · Dec 13, 2022

SunTrader said:
China dramatically loosening Covid restrictions means they are seriously concerned about their growth prospects next 6-12 months - so commodities, almost across the board not just oil, are down.

IMO long is likely wrong.
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M.W. said:
Demand from China should increase and hence prices should go higher which they do. You have it the wrong way around.
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Considering the Chinese government can actively interfere in commodities exchanges, the price cannot be determined by pure market forces of supply and demand anymore so any speculation of how China's policy regarding pandemic measures impacts commodity prices is kinda moot imo.

nitrene · Dec 13, 2022

Specterx said:
I would add that despite sky-high anticipation of an imminent recession, and a few scary headlines about port traffic falling etc., on the ground I'm not seeing any demand destruction. I recently (a couple weeks ago) listed a rental apartment for sale and received a full price offer within 1 week, at an all-time high price which is the same or even higher than where the market was at 4-6 months ago, and despite this being seasonally a bad time to sell property. At least in terms of the property market, the word on the street is that rates need to be at least 3% higher in order to impose a material drag on RE.

The Fed still has a ways to go.
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This seems to be region specific. Here in the SF Bay Area its definitely true. Real Estate prices haven't down much but in SF specifically the Condo prices have come down a lot which is probably related to parts of SF having a lot of issues mainly relating to the problems created by work from home and resultant empty buildings. There is simply too many rich people here in the bay area.

Do you think 30 year fixed will get to 10+%? That seems a bit of a stretch.