Van_der_Voort_4, You've had me ignore for many months ever since I called out a Covidiot and a racist for his undying love for Trump. Yeah, I thought that was odd considering you're not located in the United States. Yet, you'll notice I've never said anything about it until just now when you publicly mention you've taken me off ignore. Seriously, how old are you because you play too many childish games and how many of my message posts have you been replying to before taking me off ignore this morning ? Now, back to your accusation that I've been posting NON-STOP in this thread...I have about +54 or so message posts in this thread...you're sitting at about +44 or so message posts in this thread. Most of your messages have been in the promotion (support) of Ivermectin that's produced by one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies on this planet (Merck) plus being produced by other smaller name companies. In contrast, I have not promoted a single medical treatment in this thread nor in any other thread... Yet, you've hypocritically, called me a shill of BIG PHARMA in several message posts. It doesn't stop there. You then attempted to show the Physicians (vaccinated) are being outnumbered by Physicians not vaccinated. In response, I did not attack your survey. Instead, I posted multiple surveys and told you I will continue posting more surveys that clearly show many different medical personnel overwhelmingly outnumber medical personnel that are not vaccinated. You have any issue only with ONE survey that has a sloppy "final report" wording on the survey of a fraction of their members and has more pending surveys to post to reflect their remaining members. AMA has several surveys, not yet public that represent +230k members across many different subspecialities. They've only post one survey out of many to come although I believe that one survey is too early. As you can see, I'm like a dog on a bone that keeps knawing on the bone until I get what's really going on with the bone. As I've stated today, you had a problem long before this thread without being too specific in which you've now verified you in fact had me on ignore. Obviously, I didn't care to mention the above fact about your games with the ignore feature nor why...I've now mentioned the reason why after you yourself openly announced you took me off ignore this morning even though you've been replying to my messages for how long before today ??? Here's a different survey (not the one I will post in a few days). I like this survey because it makes a few key observations about why more Healthcare Workers (HCWs) are not getting vaccinated (e.g. financial reasons that has absolutely nothing to do with the merits of vaccination). Research Shows 81% of Healthcare Workers Willing to Take COVID-19 Vaccines but Personal Financial Pressures Remain a Significant Barrier for Uptake SEIU Healthcare and Women's College Research Institute release interim findings on research of over 8,700 frontline workers https://www.newswire.ca/news-releas...significant-barrier-for-uptake-888810789.html As I've noted with your surveys and my surveys...they are too early in the vaccination process. Thus, surveys with more complete data by year-end will obviously have more merit that surveys earlier in 2021. Sample size in the above survey = 8,700 frontline workers I'll give you a reason why financial pressure is impacting Physicians, Nurses, Dentists, Healthcare Workers (HCWs) in this Pandemic. Many have used up their sick leave during the Pandemic due to being Covid infected...others do not have any saved up sick leave because they had been on the job less than a year when the Pandemic hit the world. They're now demanding to be financially compensated if they're off work for a fever, migraine headaches and other common side effects from the vaccine. In North America (Canada and the United States). My point, many that have refused vaccination is not because of the merits of the vaccine. It's because they know they will not be given paid sick leave when they call in sick from any illness associated with the vaccine. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...rk-health-providers-against-poverty-1.6001605 Thus, there's a lot of unknowns about why medical personnel want to be vaccinated or not vaccinated. This is something you should have known about one of the many reasons why Physicians, Nurses, Dentists, Healthcare Workers are not being vaccinated. Reminder - Year-end surveys will be posted to clearly show overwhelming vaccinations for Doctors, Nurses, Dentists, Healthcare Workers in comparison to those not vaccinated to counter your only attempt via a survey that shows Physicians not supporting vaccinations. Those year-end surveys will not be posted in this thread only because I view this as a shill thread for Ivermectin even though I'm not challenging any data / study / survey about Ivermectin. I was one of the ones that stated Ivermectin is not approved for Covid but maybe one day it will be approved. This is what I don't understand. Ivermectin is available and there are Doctors treating patients with Ivermectin for Covid in outpatient settings. Ivermectin just can't be used in North American hospitals because if a drug is not approved and it's used...then the patient has an adverse side effect (e.g. neurological problems)...the patient or their family can sue the hospital months later or anytime years later. My point, anyone can buy the Ivermectin pills now...why the attacks on other approved medical treatments and vaccines ??? Therefore, the issue to me seems to be a problematic relationship between advocates of Ivermectin with Hospitals not using the drug in front of their other approved medical treatments. Last of all, Merck that's one of the BIG PHARMA companies that make Ivermectin...has some very interesting things to say about their own drug: February 4, 2021 11:45 am ET KENILWORTH, N.J., Feb. 4, 2021 – Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic. Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified: No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies; No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and; A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies. We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information. Indications and Usage for STROMECTOL® (ivermectin) https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/ ---------- In my opinion, I think those that produce the drug...their statement about their own drug should matter the most until the FDA / CDC / NIH counters the statement. Thus, if you guys have an issue with someone...it should be with Merck giving their opinion / analysis about their own drug and not with the Hospitals in North America. Regardless, as stated, Ivermectin is available to you...so what's the fucking problem ??? wrbtrader
Difference of opinion is not a problem You wrote a false statement and i call you out on,it happens. https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...-cure-compilation.359924/page-27#post-5426068 No need to get agitated,write few posts and nobody will notice,still have along way to catch gwb trading.His tally is 1943 posts with a word vaccine in them. Currently there're protests around the world against new mandates to be forcibly vaccinated,in case you didn't notice https://www.zerohedge.com/political/thousands-join-anti-lockdown-protests-australia-amid-new-restrictions I am indifferent if someone listens to my advise about Ivermectin,but being forced to be vaccinated with a experimental vaccine is a big deal. I may ask those who shill so hard to impose vaccination on others. You are vaccinated,you suppose to be protected from Covid. So what's your fucking problem? Did we all suddenly forget that Covid is nothing more than a flu to 98.5% of us?
Does "The Injection" Protect from Covid? Does Gene Therapy provide protection from Covid? Is The Injection a Vaccine in the Pre-2020 Classic Definition before it was actually Changed in the Dictionary? It most certainly qualifies as Gene Therapy. When was the first Vaccine developed. Since then the definition has stood through Biochem, Molecular Biology, Medical School Texts, etc. Why the sudden 1984 Revision of the Term's definition? What is Gene Therapy? https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/cellular-gene-therapy-products/what-gene-therapy
In short, I did not write a false statement and I clearly statement more surveys will be posted from the AMA. That's a difference you will not accept but that is your problem. Next, I'm very aware of the protests around the world about vaccination and have commented a few times about such here at the forum but mostly being "sarcastic" and joking about the French blood in me (mother side of the family)...French are a people of protest. I believe GWB has done a good job in identifying who has been shilling in the thread for BIG PHARMA. Remember, he didn't start this thread...@carrer started this thread in which you then showed up in full support. I've been around long enough to know when someone starts a thread or quickly (strongly) supports a thread about a specific controverisal drug made by BIG PHARMA and then see those individuals accuse others of being shills of BIG PHARMA... The hypocrisy is easily noticeable about those falsely accusing others of shilling for BIG PHARMA and I applaud anyone that calls out the thread starter and those that support Ivermectin as having a hidden agenda especially after many misinformation / staged videos & images was posted. This thread should have been started about Ivermectin only...on its own merits. Fewer debates and fewer arguments as some of the other threads about a controversial Covid drug treatment. Simply, shaming one medicine in an effort to promote another medicine...usually doesn't pass the smell test. As for GWB...he mainly calls out or attacks others that are bashing vaccines. Thus, I don't see him shilling any specific vaccines nor doing such at the expense of another medical treatment. Thus, he passes the smell test. As I've stated...nobody (an employer) forced me to get vaccinated. It was my choice...my right. I primarily live in Québec, Canada and I own a business in France with 10 - 12 employees depending upon the time of year. In any given year, I'll be living in three different countries...often traveling with family members. Regardless, I've made it clear that it's an option if an employee wants to be vaccinated or not vaccinated. Yet, because there are two employees with existing underlying medical conditions that are not suitable for vaccinations (they want to get vaccinated but can not...too risky due to their health condition)...all must wear face masks at work (N95s) and the respected dividers will remain in place with proper air ventilation. Back to myself, it was my choice to get vaccinated as it was for other family members after we carefully did a risk assessment of the Covid vaccines to ensure the correct vaccines are taken. You ask what's my problem...its when someone tells me that vaccinations are bad or bashes vaccines while they are shilling an unapproved medical drug by BIG PHARMA (look at thread title if you have not noticed). Also, I've stated since the beginning of the vaccinations...they should not be taken blindly and too many people have been taking vaccines blindly without being tested to determine if they were already infected with Covid and without having complete blood chemistry work to ensure they're suitable for vaccinations. There are just too many unknowns about Covid and how it impacts the body after infection...scientists are still learning about Covid...reason for its title...Novel Coronavirus. In addition, I believe in immunity for those that's been infected recently with Covid and these individuals should not be asked to be vaccinated especially while researchers / scientists are still arguing about how long immunity lasts for those that were once infected with Covid. Once again, the government / employers should not be forcing people to take vaccinations...it must be a choice and other solutions are available for those that are vaccinated can co-exist with those that are not vaccinated. Yet, those not vaccinated should not be allowed to endanger the lives of those that are vaccinated because no vaccine has 100% efficacy...none. Thus, my vaccination has no guarantees but it does give me a better chance at survival if / when I'm infected with Covid. Also, there have been and will continue to be breakthrough infections in this Pandemic. Yet, people wanting no vaccination, no face mask, no social distancing...deadly ignorant combination in a Pandemic. There lies the conflict and debates. P.S. I'm not agitated. You're the one that had me on ignore until your recent removal of me off your ignore list. Thus, when someone does agitate me...I will put them on ignore and I will never remove them off my ignore list...never. wrbtrader
[QUOTE="wrbtrader, post: 5426930, member: 180762" In addition, I believe in immunity for those that's been infected recently with Covid and these individuals should not be asked to be vaccinated especially while researchers / scientists are still arguing about how long immunity lasts for those that were once infected with Covid. Once again, the government / employers should not be forcing people to take vaccinations...it must be a choice and other solutions are available for those that are vaccinated can co-exist with those that are not vaccinated.[/QUOTE] We are in agreement here In 2008 i spend 3 months in Montreal and then in hot summer i rode bicycle around Southern parts of Quebec Province mainly countryside,great people,friendly,often saying Bonjour to a stranger like me. Each week i had new starting points:Sherbrooke,than Magog (around Canada Day) than small town called La Patrie https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/La+Patrie,+QC Enjoy your day and I will do mine.
The content is fabricated nonsense. All these videos do is push false information and studies which have been proven to be fake and have been withdrawn. Not only are these studies being promoted by Ivermectin pimps fabricated. Many on based on fake data where not a single patient was involved in the study -- these clowns made the entire study up -- In other words the entire study is imaginary. As noted in the articles below -- it has reach the point where it is clear that science is vulnerable to complete fraud and it is time to take firms measures to stop the abuse of science from Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine fraudsters. Let's take a look at some further information on this situation below... Huge study supporting ivermectin as Covid treatment withdrawn over ethical concerns The preprint endorsing ivermectin as a coronavirus therapy has been widely cited, but independent researchers find glaring discrepancies in the data https://www.theguardian.com/science...vid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns Large Ivermectin Study Retracted — Preprint publisher finds evidence of plagiarism, problems with raw data https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93658 No surprise here -- dozens of "studies" pimping Ivermectin are misleading and false. In fact just about every study pushing Ivermectin as beneficial for preventing or treating COVID-19 is fabricated nonsense. Misleading clinical evidence and systematic reviews on ivermectin for COVID-19 https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111678 Yes... nearly every study showing Ivermectin is effective at preventing or treating COVID-19 is completely fraudulent. Ivermectin COVID-19 Scandal Shows How Vulnerable Science Is to Fraud https://www.sciencealert.com/iverme...ge-wake-up-call-for-fraud-in-covid-19-science Let's see what the manufacturer of Ivermectin, Merck, has to say... Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/ KENILWORTH, N.J., Feb. 4, 2021 – Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic. Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified: No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies; No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and; A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies. We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.
TrialSite News Africa lead Shabnam Palesa Mohamed in conversation with: Dr Pierre Kory (United States), Dr Ira Bernstein (Canada) and Dr Sabine Hazan (United States) https://trialsitenews.com/world-ivermectin-day-north-america-panel/