We have "targeted" lockdowns of businesses / schools that are infected...everything else just fine or have had their capacity reduced without the illusions and disinformation. In fact, I don't think the country will go thru a full lockdown like it did early in the Pandemic. Hopefully, I'm not wrong because I know a lot of people with anger just waiting for some socially irresponsible person to screw up just to give that person a beat down. May be best you stick to talking about Spain. wrbtrader
Sure, I didn't say they were incorrect, I said not every comparison makes sense. And again, Covid death are not multiples of flu deaths, yet. Worldwide speaking.
Ok I looked at today's data : Spain : Infections 9906, Deaths 203 Canada : Infections 1395, Deaths 11 Overall, the deaths per million figure in Spain is almost triple that in Canada. Ontario hasn't locked down today but three areas of Quebec did. Given that we are in a second wave, with most businesses open and a lot of schools open, there is a need to stay alert to the short term trends and avoid getting into a situation like Spain or Florida ( 100+ deaths today just when it looked like things were getting better ). I take it as long as you don't know any of those 203 people you are ok with them dying.
There are about 1250 people dying on any given day in Spain, it looks to some of u death is a new phenomena. Average age of death of covid victims in Sweden was 2 years BEYOND the life expectancy in the country. Last number I saw from Spain, those people dying obviously because of covid had a bright future, half of them just happened to be over 85 y o, the other half from from young either. Dying ain"t fun, but u can t sacrifice a whole society because life expectancy of a very few takes a small hit. Besides I'd be ok with 20 million spaniards who supported the lock down executed. Madrid and Spanish government found some agreement, more closures to be announced tomorrow, it s very obvious here much of the decisions are politically driven with public health taking a back seat.
Counts for flu has no bearing on how best to deal with Covid. We've already seen the damage that downplaying Covid has done in the US; conservatively speaking at least an extra 100K people have died.
You seem challenged by statistics; the goal is to not kill more people. It is immoral to cut off the lives of older people just because you aren't old yourself and want a night at the pub. Which is often what it boils down to once you get past all the bs people say. You aren't sacrificing a whole society by acting responsibly with respect to Covid. Latest estimates are Canada's GDP in 2021 will grow 4%. In addition, there are very real younger people dying due to Covid. I know it's in fashion for some of you to downplay that so you can feel good about your attitude about Covid, but neither I nor your government care about your sensibilities on this. Grow up and make some sacrifices for your community at large. This isn't WW2, the "hardship" isn't that bad buttercup.
Yeah, well, Spain GDP expected to drop over 15%, down 18% in the second trimester. It s not worse because of the economy is dominated by the state. Don t care about pubs although certainly think people should be free to go. Have 2 young kids though that along other youth pay a disproportionate price for something that doesn t touch them. Cost/benefit of lockdown calculations is flawed, but there won t be any constructive discussion with someone who consider " saving 1 life is worth any restriction" no matter how much damage the restrictions do
btw governments don t even care qbout what the old people think, in Sweden according to surveys, older folks were the most favourable to the government light touch policy, the youth most opposed to it. Not worth living a few more months if it s an cage ( i can see that s not the case for u, but for many it is)