COVID-19

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Cuddles, Mar 18, 2020.

  1. Cuddles

    Cuddles

     
    #601     Aug 25, 2020
  2. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    Some excerpts below.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/depa...ates-issued-covid-19-orders-may-have-resulted

    Department of Justice Requesting Data From Governors of States that Issued COVID-19 Orders that May Have Resulted in Deaths of Elderly Nursing Home Residents

    Data will help inform whether the Department of Justice will initiate investigations under the Civil Rights of Institutionalized Persons Act (CRIPA) regarding New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Michigan’s response to COVID-19 in public nursing homes

    Today the Justice Department requested COVID-19 data from the governors of states that issued orders which may have resulted in the deaths of thousands of elderly nursing home residents. New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Michigan required nursing homes to admit COVID-19 patients to their vulnerable populations, often without adequate testing.

    For example, on March 25, 2020, New York ordered: “No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to [a nursing home] solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. [Nursing homes] are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission.”

    “Protecting the rights of some of society’s most vulnerable members, including elderly nursing home residents, is one of our country’s most important obligations,” said Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights Division Eric Dreiband. “We must ensure they are adequately cared for with dignity and respect and not unnecessarily put at risk.”
     
    #602     Aug 26, 2020
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  3. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    2000+ at the people's White House for RNC's dear leader circle jerk

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    #603     Aug 28, 2020
  4. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Nursing Homes and Long Care Facilities have been a sore spot for the U.S., Canada, France, Italy, Sweden and many other countries for several decades.

    Other diseases (e.g. Flu) have run rampant in these places because staff are not properly trained, worked at multiple homes because the wage at one was not enough to live on and they had poor control / identification of family that visited those places.

    The state of Washington (I believe had the 1st outbreak in Nursing Home) sounded the alarm that Covid-19 was not manageable and that they needed help (guidelines) about what they should do.

    The main problem was that the Health Policy makers were using old guidelines (problematic guidelines) instead of using current recommendations from the disease experts...essentially two hands not communicating with each other.

    Here in Canada, they did an investigation by end of March and quickly removed the people running the Nursing Homes and brought in the Military (Medical personnel)...patients were infected but the spread from Nursing Home to another Nursing Home stopped.

    Yet, there was the problem of family members bringing in the infection to the Nursing Homes for several more weeks when they realized they needed to "quarantine" the entire facility.

    I expect a lot of lawsuits against Nursing Homes and against Hospitals where many became infected with Covid-19 after going to the hospital for care for another medical issue.

    Also, there's now lawsuits being filed against schools that re-open too soon without being properly prepare and students became infected and then carry Covid-19 back home to their families in which a family member became severely ill because the family member had an underlying medical condition all because the schools did not have adequate testing of returning students.

    I think a lot of people forgot about the Swine Flu and how the government quickly responded in protecting the elderly in Nursing Homes or Long Care Facilities...

    The government (state, federal) didn't do the same when Covid-19 hit.

    Jan 16th - US were told to screen (a questionnaire on paper)...not medically test...people arriving in from China.

    Jan 21st - First Covid-19 infection in a Nursing Home the state of Washington.

    Jan 29th - U.S. Coronavirus task force created while at the same time the President is on national TV calling it a Hoax by the democrats or just the flu.

    At this time, he's still allowing in European travellers against the recommendation from the CDC because the WHO wasn't worry about Europe.

    Jan 31st (effectively applied on Feb 2nd) - President Trump blocks travel from China. Now this is when all the mix messages and conspiracy theories start. Why block travel if its just a Hoax.

    Feb 24th - Stock market falls off the cliff...that's what really caught the attention of President Trump. It wasn't the travellers still entering the U.S. from Europe because he was still mad / concentrating on China.

    Trump also on National TV states its under control...we'll only see a few deaths...it will quickly go away because its just like the Flu. He even makes announcements about such on Twitter on February 24th...


    Feb 26th - First community spread in California linked to people that that arrived from Europe (not China). Mike Pence announces the U.S. has it under control.

    Fed 29th - FDA eases guidelines on testing via instructions from the White House...only a few thousand tests had been administered.

    Mar 4th - White House under a ton of scrutiny and passes the $8.3 billion emergency bill that Trump had initially threaten he would veto. Trump starts to openly blame China.

    Mar 11th - Finally, a ban on Travel from Europe by Trump that had reluctantly not banned Europe when he banned travel from China back on Jan 31st.

    That delay ban between the timespan from China to Europe effectively seal the U.S. faith with Covid-19 considering it still allowed U.S. Citizens to re-enter from Europe without properly testing and without quarantine for 14 days.

    Strangely, U.K. and Ireland not included in the travel ban.
    • WHO declared Covid-19 a Pandemic
    Mar 13th - National Emergency Declaration

    Mar 17th - U.S. workforce asked to stay home. The same day Trump announces they knew Covid-19 was real and were prepare from the beginning.

    Mar 21st - Travel ban extended to U.K. and Ireland.

    Mar 22nd - Problem develops between Trump and Fauci

    Mar 24th - Trump still states its under control and wants the country to re-open by April 12th. He wants it re-open so that Americans can enjoy Easter Holiday.

    Mar 27th - Trump signs $2.2 trillion dollar emergency spending bill. No threats of a veto.

    Mar 30th - Trump blames the prior Obama administration and states he inherited a "broken test" system when in reality the WHO through out the Pandemic Response plan the Obama administration had used for the Ebola and other epidemics.

    April 2nd - 6.6 million file for unemployment

    April 3rd - WHO announces against the advice of medical officials that "cloth face masks" are recommended whereas health officials recommended medical face masks.

    Trump announces on national TV...himself not partaking in face mask wearing.

    April 4th to 5th - HCQ is pushed and U.S. begins stock piling it while other therapeutics are not being stock piled.

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    At this point, I gave up on the timeline of the Covid-19 fiasco...poor contact tracking and too much politics influence on the CDC and FDA.

    wrbtrader
     
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    #604     Aug 28, 2020
  5. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    In about 2 weeks...we'll hear about 1 - 2 people dying from the event. Yet, the White House cover all bases via getting all attendees to sign a waiver of responsibility. :D

    Also, I heard that all were tested prior to entry but not sure about that because I'm sure someone from the media would have taken pictures of such type of testing.

    wrbtrader
     
    #605     Aug 28, 2020

  6. The covid and nursing home situation in the U.S. ranges from the understandable mistakes to the criminal.

    Washington state was, as you said, the first to get hit. A new disease in the world, no experience, nobody knew squat. Many mistakes were just the understandable learning curve and they did fairly well with it given the unknown nature of the beast and being the first to get hammered.

    New York state was another scenario altogether. The state not only failed to contain the spread to nursing homes, they were the cause of it. They had full, full knowledge by then that it was a highly contagious disease that was deadly for the frail and elderly, yet they started SENDING people with covid to be cared for in the same nursing homes. That my friends, is criminal negligence.
     
    #606     Aug 28, 2020
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So explain to us why DeSantis in Florida is doing the same thing as New York?
     
    #607     Aug 28, 2020
  8. I dont do splainin for DeSantis.

    What does he say?
     
    #608     Aug 28, 2020
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    As outlined in the "DeSantis for the win" tjread --- DeSantis is placing old people with COVID in nursing homes. They try to keep them "segregated" which is failing miserably.
     
    #609     Aug 28, 2020
  10. Everyone is accountable, at the polls and in court, or by adequately or inadequately splainin' themselves. His rap has been that they are segregated but he has to make that case. I am not the one to do it.

    Similarly, Coumo is now arguing that New York is the shining success story in the country in regard to covid. He makes that case, but I won't touch it with a ten foot pole.
     
    #610     Aug 28, 2020