COVID-19

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Cuddles, Mar 18, 2020.

  1. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    When was the last time Dr. Anthony Fauci saw a patient?
     
    #561     Aug 17, 2020
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So Todaro is one of the half-dozen "America's Frontline Doctors" -- except none of them have been in the "frontlines" for years. Nearly all have lengthy medical complaints against them -- and most are merely media hucksters.

    The integrity of the presenter has a direct relationship with the validity of information they push when it comes to "expertise" in medical, science, and technology fields.
     
    #562     Aug 17, 2020
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    There is a difference between public health policy and medical expertise with patients. When was the last time that that an individual medical practitioner personally guided a country to eliminating an AIDS epidemic.
     
    #563     Aug 17, 2020
  4. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    When was the last time they were given an opportunity to? --I run rings around you logically.
     
    #564     Aug 17, 2020
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You do realize that public health policy and medical practitioner are two totally different professions. Experts in public health policy such as Dr. Fauci don't see individual patients; nor are they expected to in a public health policy career.

    In a similar manner medical practitioners do not lead public health policy initiatives in their careers - they see individual patients.
     
    #565     Aug 17, 2020
  6. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    So no issues with the study? If I had linked directly to it, you'd have been fine with it? Because the study is what matters - not the poster on twitter.
     
    #566     Aug 17, 2020
  7. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Yet you allow Dr Fauci to set policy and discount medical practitioners who have not seen patients recently as not being qualified. Your arguments are a joke.
     
    #567     Aug 17, 2020
  8. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    just so it's clear, an ex-crack head is now advising the president on COVID response:

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...ts-to-bring-trumps-covid-miracle-cure-to-life
    The MyPillow Guy Wants To Bring Trump’s COVID Miracle Cure to Life
    Move over hydroxychloroquine! The president is reportedly now interested in Oleandrin, an experimental botanical extract being promoted by MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell.

    For months, Donald Trump promoted the off-label use of hydroxychloroquine as a COVID-19 therapy, even claiming to have taken a course of the anti-malarial drug as a prophylactic. But as the evidence against its effectiveness and potential dangers continues to mount—Dr. Anthony Fauci last month emphasized that studies have “consistently” shown the drug to have “no efficacy” in treating coronavirus—the president may have begun to turn toward a new, unproven miracle cure, this one peddled by Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson and...MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell?

    Yes, you read that right. Carson and the pillow pitchman, a GOP megadonor and Trump ally, have gotten the president interested in an experimental botanical extract they say could treat COVID-19, raising concerns among some government officials, Axios reported Sunday. Trump, who has been searching for an easy way out of the coronavirus crisis since it started, has reportedly “expressed enthusiasm” for Oleandrin, as Carson and Lindell push for Food and Drug Administration approval, though—like hydroxychloroquine—there is no proof that it works. “The involvement of the Secretary of HUD and MyPillow.com in pushing a dubious product at the highest levels should give Americans no comfort at night about their health and safety during a raging pandemic,” a senior administration official familiar with the matter told Jonathan Swan.

    Trump’s fondness for the unproven experimental extract is just the latest instance in which he’s latched on to a quick fix for the coronavirus crisis, the biggest obstacle to bid for re-election, in hopes that he can make it all go away without him having to do anything about it. Nationwide mask mandate? Robust testing regime? Who needs them if you’ve got an oleander extract that hasn’t been adequately tested, but that Lindell—who invests in the company that makes it—swears by? “This is the most amazing miracle thing I’ve ever seen in my life,” Lindell told Axios. “I went all in.”

    Lindell—whose last turn in the national spotlight came in March when he lavished “dear leader”-style praise on the president during a White House event (“Boy, do you sell those pillows,” a pleased Trump said in reply)—used his inside track with Trump to get Andrew Whitney of Phoenix Biotechnology, the company that makes the botanical extract, an Oval Office meeting. Whitney is working to get the extract approved by the FDA as a dietary supplement, but maintains that it has the power to make COVID-19 symptoms disappear in a “vast majority of cases.” He has provided no actual proof to support his claim, though, either to Axios or the administration, beyond saying “the data is compelling.” “I’m telling you,” he told Axios. “I’ve seen it with my own eyes.”

    A non-peer reviewed lab study has shown some evidence in Oleandrin blunting the virus. But, as Axios reported, one of the authors of the study, Robert Newman, chairs the scientific advisory board of the company that produces it, and was previously listed as its president. The fact that just about everyone involved has some personal stake in the matter—Carson, a former neurosurgeon but not an expert in drug development or infectious diseases, is a friend of Lindell—is enough to give anyone with a level head pause, especially as they dispense with the measure and fallibility at the foundation of good science and sell the extract as a “miracle.” But Trump is far from level-headed, susceptible to all kinds of magical thinking, and, in the words of Lindell, “basically said...‘the FDA should be approving it.’”

    Which is exactly what you want, really, from the guy overseeing a race to a vaccine dubbed Operation Warp Speed, right? Fauci, a rare beacon of clear-eyed expertise in the government’s COVID response, has emphasized that the highly anticipated vaccine he’s cautiously optimistic will be ready this winter will be safe, despite the unprecedented speed of its development. Scientists won’t, in other words, allow Americans to be injected with a dangerous drug, just so the president can score a political win. But with every unproven miracle cure he touts, Trump is creating that fear, whether it’s founded or not.
     
    #568     Aug 17, 2020
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

     
    #569     Aug 18, 2020
  10. Cuddles

    Cuddles

     
    #570     Aug 21, 2020