COVID-19

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Cuddles, Mar 18, 2020.

  1. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Yeah, it is. Plus those recent holidays in which many India health officials became very concern due to the very little or no face mask wearing.

    During the holidays, 5 - 10 people to a single room...no face mask wearing, no social distancing.

    wrbtrader
     
    #1411     Apr 10, 2021
  2. ph1l

    ph1l

    Add getting a rabies shot instead of being vaccinated for COVID to the list.:banghead:
    https://indianexpress.com/article/c...-instead-of-covid-vaccine-pharmacist-7266678/
     
    #1412     Apr 10, 2021
  3. ph1l

    ph1l

    David Pakman, youtube influencer:
    "The justification was ... so called lockdowns even though the U.S. didn't have lockdowns that is causing suicides to explode ... Trump endlessly said it 'Suicides are up. Suicides, suicides.' Here is one example"

    Trump:
    "A prolonged lockdown combined with a forced economic depression would inflict an immense and wide-ranging toll on public health. This includes a sharp rise in drug abuse, alcohol abuse, suicide, ..."

    So the "you duper" is saying the U.S. did not have lockdowns, and Trump is saying suicides would go up if the U.S. had a prolonged lockdown. Of course, the TDSers David Pakman panders to are unable to comprehend that.


    I think David Pakman should stick to playing Pac-Man instead promoting fake news.
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    #1413     Apr 10, 2021
  4. Nice to see open discussion.

    An unsubstantiated theory to chain of events, but worth hearing. Please validate and invalidate it's points:

    USA was developing biochemical weapons in Canada.
    China recieves outsourced lab work from Canada.
    China decides to release the virus before the USA has a chance on the basis that Like 9/11 no one expects a lie that big Push lockdowns via WHO and also WUMAO infrastructure. Hence the videos coming out of China putting people into vans but actually in Chinese you can hear "This is fake". Hence also the fear coming out of China ilke reports of mass, sudden heart attacks and people falling to the ground that we haven't seen elsewhere!

    Qui-bono: A lot of westerners support the authortarian approach of China and point to thier own governments as soft. Then support lockdown, which in reality makes the problem worse via vitamin D & K. The key thing is that ALL the other measures are downplayed: Measures such as strengthening all of our immune systems and stuff that doesn't total the economy and will continue to be helpful in the future.

    So, China benefits economically and politically but it was a joint effort with the USA's miltary industrial complex out of control.

    Also, wouldn't be suprised to see some collaboration with Russia. Putin is very skilled in kind of stuff.

    Then again,
    Slow vaccine manufacture in China.
    Taiwan handled it well.

    Gates has suggested they'll be more viruses on the way. I'm inclined to agree. If he can wipe out successive generations peacefully via gene drive infertility and avert climate change at the 11th hour then maybe anything's possible.

    OK. That's it.

    As a trader, this whole thing bumped my confidence. I heard about covid-19 back in Dec 19 and was just lookig at the charts confused as to why they weren't reacting. I thought to myself 'Well, if they're not reacting, they must know something I don't'. Since then I've learnt that in general, the whole world's mad and it's normal.
     
    #1414     Apr 11, 2021
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #1415     Apr 11, 2021
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    More young people are getting hospitalized as a 'stickier,' more infectious coronavirus strain becomes dominant
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/12/health/b117-covid-variant-young-patients/index.html

    What used to be a mysterious new variant first detected in the UK is now the most dominant coronavirus strain in the US.

    And unlike the original strain of the novel coronavirus, the more contagious B.1.1.7 strain is hitting young people particularly hard.

    "(Covid-19) cases and emergency room visits are up," said Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    "We are seeing these increases in younger adults, most of whom have not yet been vaccinated."
    Now doctors say many young people are suffering Covid-19 complications they didn't expect.

    And it's time to ditch the belief that only older adults or people with pre-existing conditions are at risk of severe Covid-19.

    Why B.1.1.7 is more contagious

    Viruses mutate all the time, and most mutations aren't very important. But if the mutations are significant, they can lead to dangerous new variants of a virus.

    "The B.1.1.7 variant has mutations that allow it to bind more" to cells, said Dr. Jonathan Reiner, a CNN medical analyst and professor of medicine and surgery at George Washington University.
    "Think of this mutation as making the virus stickier."

    Coronavirus latches onto cells with its spike proteins -- the spikes surrounding the surface of the virus.

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    "There is a little difference in the way the (B.1.1.7) spike protein holds that makes it stick to your cells a little more easily," said emergency physician Dr. Megan Ranney, director of the Brown-Lifespan Center for Digital Health.

    With the original strain of the novel coronavirus, "you need a certain inoculum -- a certain amount of virus -- in order for the infection to basically stick," Reiner said.

    "Is one viral particle enough to make you sick? No, probably not. On the other hand ... sometimes a massive inoculum can kill an otherwise healthy person. And we've seen that in health care workers," he said.

    "So these new variants, particularly the UK variant, seem to be stickier. So the notion is that it's more contagious, so to speak, because potentially you don't need as much of an inoculum to get sick."

    What this means in real life: "You can be in a place and maybe have a briefer exposure or have a smaller exposure -- more casual exposure -- and then get infected," Reiner said.
    And because B.1.1.7 is stickier, "you may indeed have a higher viral load."

    "If you have a higher number of viral particles in your respiratory tract, then it's going to be easier to spread it to other people," Ranney said.

    That's another reason why it's so important for young adults to get vaccinated.

    More young people are being hospitalized with Covid-19

    B.1.1.7 cases have now been reported in all 50 states, the CDC said.

    "What we're seeing in a bunch of places now is sick, young people -- hospitalized young people. Whereas earlier on in the pandemic, it was primarily older people," Reiner said.

    "The reason for this might be as simple as the older population in this country has either been exposed to this virus, killed by the virus, or now vaccinated against the virus."

    As of Saturday, more than 78% of people age 65 and over have received at least one dose of vaccine, and 60% have been fully vaccinated, according to CDC data.

    "The unvaccinated -- those are the people who are getting infected -- we're seeing a large number of young people, and they're the ones we're seeing in hospitals now."

    In March, New Jersey saw a 31% jump in Covid-19 hospitalizations among young adults ages 20 to 29, the state health commissioner said. And the 40-49 age group saw a 48% increase in Covid-19 hospitalizations.

    Ranney said she's also noticed a stark change in who's getting hospitalized.

    "This has been kind of a gradual increase in the proportion of folks who are younger over the last couple of months," she said, citing data from COVID-NET -- which tracks cases from more than 250 hospitals in 14 states.

    "Looking at the week of December 26 or January 2, age 65-plus would be, say, 3,000 (hospitalizations). And then everything else together is 3,000. More than 50% were age 65-plus."

    But by March 27, "it was about one-third (ages) 18 to 49 ... about one-third ages 50 to 64, and then about one-third 65-plus," Ranney said.

    As an emergency room doctor, Ranney said she regularly sees young, previously healthy patients struggling with coronavirus.

    "I see at least a few people on every ER shift that I work who are there because they are having persistent trouble breathing or other side effects as a result of Covid-19," she said.

    Ranney said she generally defines "young people" as those under 50. But "no matter which age cutoff you use, right now, we're seeing more B.1.1.7 than the older variants."

    "We're certainly seeing it more in 20s and 30s as well," she said. "And people in their 20s and 30s are less likely to be vaccinated and more likely to be out and about."

    The vast majority of positive coronavirus tests don't go through genomic sequencing to figure out whether it's B.1.1.7 or another strain. But as genomic sequencing increases nationwide, health experts say there's no doubt B.1.1.7 is fueling more hospitalizations among young people.

    Dr. Justin Skrzynski is a Covid hospitalist -- or specialist in the care of Covid-19 patients -- at Beaumont Hospital, Royal Oak in Michigan. He said the facility sends a portion of its coronavirus samples to the state for DNA analysis.

    "Right now, the regular Covid test we do -- that's still just showing Covid (or) no Covid," Skrzynski said.

    "But we do send a lot of those out to the state, and we are seeing something like 40% of our patients now (with) B.1.1.7."

    Reiner said he thinks both human behavior and the "stickiness" of B.1.1.7 are leading to more Covid-19 hospitalizations among young people.

    "It may be simply because of just (more young people) getting infected ... and perhaps the inoculum (viral load) is higher," he said.

    Sometimes, young people can be victims of their own strong immune systems.

    Throughout the pandemic, doctors have noticed some young, previously healthy patients suffer from Covid-19 cytokine storms. That's basically when someone's immune system overreacts -- potentially causing severe inflammation or other serious symptoms.

    As B.1.1.7 keeps spreading, it's possible the number of young people with cytokine storms will increase, Reiner said.

    "We've certainly seen people come into our hospital, very young people (in their early 20s) ... need to be put on ECMO, which is basically a heart-lung machine for days or even weeks because they come in with cardiomyopathy -- which is a response to a cytokine storm," he said.

    'Covid-19 doesn't have to kill you to wreck your life'
    As more young people get infected, doctors are worried they'll see more of a disturbing trend they've noticed for months -- long-term complications.

    "I cannot tell you how many people I've taken care of in the ER who are in their 20s, 30s and 40s, who are never sick enough to end up in the ER with Covid, but who now have long-lasting respiratory difficulties," Ranney said.

    "Or they have persistent loss of taste and smell, and they're losing weight because there's no joy from eating. Or they have that kind of brain fog that we hear about with long Covid. And it's not universal. It's not every person who gets Covid who's going to get that. But there is the reality that this disease is not benign -- regardless of whether they get hospitalized or in the ICU," she said.

    "So I think there's this false sense of both 'I'm immune to it just because I'm young,' and 'Even if I catch it, I'll be fine.' You may be lucky. And that may be true, that if you catch it, you'll be fine. But there's also a chance that you won't."

    Reiner said some long-haul symptoms in young people have lasted roughly a year now -- "debilitating symptoms that have come in the aftermath of their coronavirus infection," he said.
    "So what I would say to young people is that Covid-19 doesn't have to kill you to wreck your life."

    Mixed messages from states don't help

    Health experts say it's critical to keep practicing Covid-19 safety precautions until many more people get vaccinated. Yet some states have ditched mask mandates or reopened bars to full capacity just as B.1.1.7 was spreading rapidly.

    And that's likely fueling the spread of B.1.1.7 among young people, Reiner said.

    "They're the people going out to the bars. They're the people meeting for brunch. The older people in this country have been hunkered down for a year because they've been worried about dying from this virus. Young people in this country haven't worried so much about dying from this virus. And there's a lot of pandemic fatigue."

    Reiner said he understands many businesses have been devastated and need to fully reopen once it's safe to.

    "But easing the mask mandate makes zero sense," he said. "There is no economic hardship, and there's no personal hardship to require a person to wear a mask when they're out in public."
    Ranney said young people may misinterpret the lifting of safety mandates.

    "When you hear that ... as a regular person who's not following the day-to-day (data), you think, 'Well, my governor wouldn't open it if it's not safe,'" she said. "So I think there is that mixed message."

    B.1.1.7 is also spreading among children
    It's not just young adults who are getting infected with this variant. More cases of B.1.1.7 are showing up among children, too.

    "Absolutely, we are seeing a higher number of kids test positive for B.1.1.7 than we have seen for the other virus types," Ranney said.

    "It's not necessarily that kids are more susceptible to B.1.1.7. But it's just that they're more likely to be exposed to it both because they're out and about, and because this version is more transmissible."

    While classroom learning is relatively safe when the right safety precautions are taken, health officials say after-school activities -- such as youth sports and other extracurriculars -- are causing more children to get Covid-19.

    And while Covid-19 deaths among children are extremely rare, they have happened.
    Some children who contracted coronavirus have experienced MIS-C, or multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children, which is rare but can sometimes cause severe illness or death.

    The easiest ways to quash B.1.1.7
    The good news about B.1.1.7: We don't need a new playbook to fight it. But we do have to follow the existing playbook closely to snuff out this highly contagious variant.

    "Even though it is more transmissible, every piece of data that we have supports that we can still stop it using the same techniques that we have used for other variants," Ranney said.

    "So it's still about masks and physical distancing and ventilation and vaccines. And our current vaccines -- and this is really critical -- the current vaccines work really well against B.1.1.7."

    But here's the catch: The longer a virus circulates, the more opportunities it has to develop new mutations. And if the mutations are significant, they can lead to more problematic variants -- including some that might evade vaccine protection.

    "To me, this is a warning sign. This is a shot across the bow of what could happen," Ranney said.

    B.1.1.7 "does spread more easily. It is increasing the number of cases. We're seeing some increases in hospitalizations, probably due to the B.1.1.7 spread. But the vaccines work against it," she said.

    "There may be future variants for which we are not so lucky."
     
    #1416     Apr 12, 2021
  7. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...xcess-deaths-in-2020-21-have-exceeded-417-000

    Mexico’s Excess Deaths Far Exceed Official Coronavirus Toll
    • Deaths over expected levels double test-confirmed fatalities

    • Overstretched health systems, many people sick but not tested
    Excess deaths in Mexico for 2020 and early 2021 exceeded 417,000, more than double the official number of fatalities from the pandemic, the federal government said in a report that also sharply raised what it called Covid-related deaths.

    On Thursday Mexico became the third country with more than 200,000 confirmed Covid-19 deaths, trailing only U.S. and Brazil, countries with much larger populations.

    But in a report released on Saturday, what were termed Covid-associated deaths were far higher, at 294,287 through mid-February. In all, some 71% of excess deaths were said to be “associated” with Covid based on a review of death certificates.

    For months, Mexican pandemic fatalities have been assumed to be much higher than its official figures because of a low level of testing. Many suspected illnesses and deaths went undiagnosed, and Mexico’s 2.2 million confirmed Covid cases rank only 14th globally.

    Overwhelmed health systems also pushed deaths beyond levels expected in a normal year as treatment for other conditions was curtailed.

    In February, the government reported excess deaths of 326,069 for 2020, 45% higher than Mexico would expect in a regular year. In the latest report, which adds data from the first six weeks of 2021, that figure reached 417,002.

    Mexico is ramping up its vaccination pace, now running at about 186,000 doses per day. At that rate it would take 2.8 years to cover 75% of the country’s population with a two-dose vaccine.

    The U.S. is expected to send 2.7 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine to Mexico, with 1.5 million due to arrive on Sunday.
     
    #1417     Apr 14, 2021
  8. Cuddles

    Cuddles

     
    #1418     Apr 14, 2021
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Yet another study showing COVID-19 re-infections are common...

    Study: Up to 10% of young adults who recover from COVID-19 at risk for reinfection
    https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2021/04/15/coronavirus-young-adults-reinfection-study/7161618510951/

    COVID-19 infection does not completely protect young adults from getting the virus again, a study published Thursday by The Lancet Respiratory Medicine found.

    About 10% of 18- to 20-year-olds included in the analysis developed a case of the virus despite being infected earlier in the pandemic, the data showed.

    The findings suggest that, despite previous infection and the presence of antibodies against the virus in the blood, vaccination still is necessary to boost immune response, prevent new infection and reduce virus transmission, the researchers said.

    "As vaccine rollouts continue to gain momentum, it is important to remember that ... young people can catch the virus again and may still transmit it to others," study co-author Stuart Sealfon said in a statement.

    "Immunity is not guaranteed by past infection, and vaccinations that provide additional protection are still needed for those who have had COVID-19." said Sealfon, a professor and chair of the department of neurology at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York City.

    (More at above url)
     
    #1419     Apr 16, 2021
  10. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    @gwb-trading

    Frankly, it looks as though you have lost any objectivity that you may have had wrt anything Covid related.

    If you can be objective and reply with sincere responses, I honestly want to here your opinion to the below mentioned points made in the following article. I came across this article today.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/18-reasons-i-wont-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine

    3. Ugly history of attempts to make coronavirus vaccines
    4. The ‘data gaps’ submitted to FDA by vaccine makers
    5. No access to raw data from trials

    6. No long-term safety testing
    7. No informed consent
    8. Under-reporting of adverse reactions and deaths
    9. The vaccines don’t stop transmission or infection
    10. People are catching COVID after being fully vaccinated

    13. Fauci and others at NIAID own patents on the Moderna vaccine
    17. World’s leading vaccinologist is sounding the alarm
     
    #1420     Apr 16, 2021