COVID-19

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Cuddles, Mar 18, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Another 150,000 deaths on Trump -- but he doesn't care

    COVID-19 model predicts 150,000 more US deaths within the next month
    https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...s-150000-more-us-deaths-within-the-next-month

    A top COVID-19 model predicts 150,000 more deaths in the U.S. in the next month as the country heads into what is anticipated to be the worst phase of the pandemic.

    Projections from the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation show the death toll over the next month could be far beyond that of December, which set a record at about 77,500.

    Overall, nearly 348,000 people in the U.S. have died from the coronavirus, and there have been more than 20.1 million cases in the country since the outbreak began.

    Public health experts predict the coming months will be among the most dangerous since the pandemic began, anticipating spikes in cases stemming from Thanksgiving and Christmas gatherings. Those spikes could be exacerbated during colder months as social events move to indoor settings where the virus can more easily spread.

    The country is currently facing record high rates of hospitalizations. An all-time high of 125,379 COVID-19 patients were hospitalized Thursday, according to the Covid Tracking Project, a figure that fell only slightly to 125,057 Friday. The number of hospitalizations marks a 163 percent spike from two months ago.

    Fears are also rising as a number of states report their first confirmed cases of a new variant of the coronavirus that is believed to be more infectious than the strain that has been sweeping the globe. The variant was first spotted in the U.K., leading it to impose strict restrictions across England to blunt the virus’s rapid spread.

    The mutant variant is not believed to be any more lethal than the strain that has already infected more than 84 million people around the globe.

    The rollout of two vaccines, and potentially more in the coming weeks, has provided a glimmer of hope that the pandemic’s end may be near, but Anthony Fauci, the government’s top infectious diseases expert, said last month that 90 percent of the population would need to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity.
     
    #1171     Jan 3, 2021
  2. Turveyd

    Turveyd


    How do you figure it's on Trump, what could he really do differently ??

    It's not like anything works, I blame him for not supporting shielding of the at risk, but it's a virus it's killing mainly old people, old people die, move on FFS!!

    Young people die occasionally aswell, shit happens.
     
    #1172     Jan 3, 2021
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's take a look at Lockdowns in Colonial America to combat disease. Even back then reasonable people knew what the best public health practices were.... and endured the economic impact for the sake of everyone's health.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease_in_colonial_America

    Epidemics

    Epidemics of many diseases were reported during the colonial times

    Yellow Fever

    Yellow Fever made its first appearance in America in 1668, in Philadelphia, New York and Boston in 1693. It had been brought over from Barbados. Throughout the Colonial period, there were several epidemics in those cities as well as Texas, New Hampshire, Florida and up the Mississippi River as far as St. Louis, Missouri. During many of these epidemics, the residents who chose to stay in the area avoided others by shutting themselves in their houses away from friends and jobs. Unemployment and businesses coming to a halt was universal. The death rate was so high the people had to work day and night to bury the dead.

    Smallpox

    Colonists tried to prevent the spread of smallpox by isolation and inoculation. Inoculation caused a mild form of the disease; it was new to the country and very controversial because of the threat that the procedure itself could be fatal, or otherwise spread the disease. It was introduced by Zabdiel Boylston and Cotton Mather in Boston in 1721. The procedure involved injecting the infection into the patient, which resulted in a mild form of the disease. This led to a shorter period a person had Smallpox than if they had contracted naturally. Strong support for inoculation came the leading Puritan minister, Cotton Mather, who preached for inoculations during the 1721 smallpox epidemic in Boston. His advice was heeded primarily by well-educated wealthy Puritan families. The town of Cambridge and Harvard College combined broad-based inoculation programs with inspection and isolation efforts. They providing a model followed by other New England communities, which increasingly adopted the immunization and quarantine policies by 1800.
     
    #1173     Jan 4, 2021
  4. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    UK Full National Lockdown but this time they've finally put shielding back in, so the Lockdown will appear to work, but really it's just returning to situation in August when Shielding was still on, before the numbers started to run.

    Just so you understand, it's the Shielding of the at risk, so they can stay home and safe, which works, not the lockdown, no lockdown has worked anywhere unless left on long enough that everyones got it ofcourse, then it merely appears the lockdown worked.

    Why won't everyone just follow Sweden FFS and skip the lockdowns out :(
     
    #1174     Jan 4, 2021
  5. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Biden / Harris administration will take over in a few weeks and a quiet Trump about Covid-19 Pandemic, hospitalizations, ICUs and deaths is a President that does not care and never cared from the beginning when he downplayed it, called it a democrat hoax, stated it will go away on it own / soon and many other false narratives...
    • That encourage Americans to not be careful.
    Just as bad, he fights with the science / experts on Covid-19 while they are doing the jobs in trying to warn / prepare Americans...Trump continues to downplay it and then disappears for awhile after his "bleach in the body" comments for disinfection.

    The idiot even taunted those that wore a face mask until he himself, WhiteHouse, his family were infected with Covid-19 and then he was hospitalized.

    Furthering the insult, he's released from the hospital and gives a press conference that "he now understands about Covid-19". :rolleyes:

    +100,000 Covid-19 deaths more now...he shows no respect...no sympathy and recently states in one of his tweets that Covid-19 deaths are "fake news".

    The man is sick in the head and clearly doesn't care about American citizens to any Covidiot like @Turveyd that continues wondering what more could Trump have done.

    Now the United States has a distribution problem because Trump did not want to allocate money to a National (centralize) vaccination locations...he pass the responsibility down the the hospitals that were already short personnel and nearing capacity...

    Now we have 2/3 of the vaccines still sitting in the freezers because hospitals are too busy treating Covid-19 patients. Biden / Harris being left with a pile of shit on their porch before entering the WhiteHouse.

    Ironically, he wants credit for Operation Warp Speed...he needs to then take credit for the vaccine distribution failure because all of this is on his watch.

    wrbtrader
     
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    #1175     Jan 4, 2021
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Expert warns that risk of transmitting COVID-19 outdoors during the winter is higher
    https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/expert-w...utdoors-during-the-winter-is-higher-1.5254353

    As Ontario continues to see surging levels of COVID-19 transmission, one epidemiologist is raising concerns that outdoor activities may not be the safe refuge from the virus that they were in the summer.

    Colin Furness, who is a professor at the University of Toronto, tells CP24 that while being outside continues to be “much better” than being indoors it is a “little less safe” than it was in the summer due to the way virus behave in colder, dryer air.

    He says that when the air is hot and humid droplets” get heavier not lighter and they sink to the ground,” meaning that you would have to be extremely close to someone with COVID-19 to be exposed to the virus.

    But he says that when the temperature drops and the air gets dryer the droplets tend to remain airborne for longer periods of time.

    He says that the mucus membranes in our nose, mouth and throats also dry out in colder weather “and don’t work nearly as well at filtering out the pathogens.”

    “There is a good reason why we have flu season and cold season in the winter. In cold, dry air when the virus leaves your mouth when you exhale it doesn’t start to die right away like it does in hot weather; it stays very much alive,” he said.

    “In cold, dry weather when you exhale and you can see your breath you are seeing those droplets and the droplets disappear in an instance, meaning the water evaporates so those very live virus particles are floating in the air.”

    Public health officials and epidemiologists have long said that individuals are at a greater risk of contracting COVID-19 when indoors and the province has largely taken this into account, choosing to first allow patio service to reopen in the summer before also allowing indoor dining.

    Speaking with CP24, Furness said that being outside still offers benefits because the breeze can help to blow droplets away compared to indoor settings where the air is ‘recycled.”

    But he said that people should nonetheless be aware of the fact that the virus “behaves very differently in the winter” and take precautions to avoid crowd scenes when they are out and about.

    “Shared air without masks is what makes people sick,” he said.
     
    #1176     Jan 6, 2021
  7. kaizer

    kaizer

    Mark, could you be so kind to answer my question. Here is the fact: 'elite' people in Russia (politics, celebrities, big businessman) do not wear mask, do not vaccinated, do not keep social distance in situation where they are not on public, in private parties for example.

    Are these people idiots? They have private air? They are vaccinated by conspiracy secret vaccine? Or what?
     
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    #1177     Jan 7, 2021
  8. kaizer

    kaizer

    Addition: sometimes they forget to wear mask on public. Fresh example, yesterdays photo from church. Man in front is president Putin. How many masks do you see on the photo?
     
    #1178     Jan 7, 2021
  9. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    First of all, I'm not from Russia, never been there nor do I know the cultural habits of Russians during a Pandemic. Thus, its very strange for you to be asking me about VIP people in Russia.
    • In addition, you've shown or posted ONE image of Putin with several people and you expect me to believe it represents what Putin does 24 hours every day ?
    You should notice above that I used bold fonts of the words "cultural habits". I know enough that its an important variable to either staying healthy or not healthy in a Pandemic.

    For example, I've lived in South Korea and spent a lot of time there when in the military. In addition, I lived with my South Korean girlfriend when I lived there. Thus, I have a good understanding of their "cultural habits" to understand and knew they would perform well in this Pandemic with their healthcare system in comparison to other countries...

    I know how they behave in private versus in public and I've used their healthcare / hospital system to know they are more suitable than most countries to deal with infectious diseases including more centralized vaccinations.

    Today, South Korea is one of the best performing countries in Covid-19.

    By the way, its very strange that you used my first name when I've only used "wrbtrader" here at the forum except for several years before 2018. That's strange because you register as a member here in 2018 via "Kaiser" and that would indicate you've had a prior user name.

    The latter not really an issue for someone to change / close a prior user name and I've done the same myself after asking Baron (forum owner) for permission to change my user name.

    Back to Covid-19, I do remember when President Trump tested positive for Covid-19 and then quickly deteriorate in which he was flown by helicopter to Walter Reed hospital with a team of doctors with him. He was soon given experimental emergency cocktail of antibodies and other care that no other person would have been able to have...

    That's VIP service and would therefore assume other VIP in other countries would most likely have the same treatment. The same was true of Justin Trudeau wife Sofie when she became sick from Covid-19. The entire family self-isolated / quarantine within their home with a few 24 hour doctors to care for her just in case her condition worsen although I do not think it worsen to the point that she needed experimental cocktail of antibody treatment.

    With the above stated...the only person that can answer your questions about Russia would be you if you hang out with politics, celebrities, big businessman in Russia...you can then explain if they truly have normal lifestyle during this Pandemic an if they're receiving VIP treatment that no one else in Russia has access too.

    I will tell you something about Pandemics that I learned when I was in college...

    It pays to be rich of a VIP during a Pandemic and maybe the below article may help you to understand what may be occurring for VIP / Rich People in different countries including Russia.
    wrbtrader
     
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    #1179     Jan 7, 2021
  10. Be careful of this guy wrbtrader. His stories do not match up. He makes a lot of things up as he goes.
     
    #1180     Jan 7, 2021