Wanted to make a correction to my prior post about Brazil... I stated incorrectly that they did a lockdown when in fact they had NO national lockdown mandate. Instead, some towns and cities did their own limited lockdown against the protest of those that do not believe in a national lockdown that many other countries had. Thus, Brazil poor performance to the Covid-19 is because they had no national lockdown mandate with a leader spewing the same nonsense as President Trump. wrbtrader
I would not be surprised if as many as 100 million Americans have caught the virus with the vast majority not even knowing it as the virus effects are likely extremely mild or non existent for most. I would also not be bowled over to hear that we may be a lot closer to herd immunity now than most believe.
I live in the UK, myself my friends and family all think that it should be mandatory to wear full face masks in public places for the next year or so. Our government should be more on top of this...
The media and scientist have been saying since the start of the Pandemic that symptoms will be mild or not noticeable by the infected persons. They've also been saying (stats proves such) that most that require hospitalization are the elderly or those with underlying medication conditions. Unfortunately, many didn't even realize they had an underlying medical condition (e.g. high blood pressure, heart problem). Regardless, since day one of the Pandemic...its been pumped in the news that many will have mild symptoms or symptoms not noticeable (e.g. normal cough for a few days, one day fever, shortness of breath for a few days). It could be one of the reasons why many in the USA do not take the face mask wearing, washing hands, social distancing and no large group gatherings very seriously whereas other countries do take it very serious...some of those countries avoided a lockdown. Also, it is in fact one of the reasons why Europe shut their borders to the USA. Yet, some countries are starting to open their borders to other countries the past 2 weeks. As soon as a vaccine is developed and released to the public...herd immunity will come very fast in the U.S. and other countries. Unfortunately, there's another issue about the vaccine...the anti-vaccine community. There's a very large percentage of the anti-vaccine community. That in itself will be very problematic to achieve herd immunity. Another problem, recently new, scientists are now getting more data that immunity doesn't last. It'll be another 1 - 2 months before data starts to come in about "reinfection" as in people thought to be immune are now becoming re-infected. Key - Depending upon the country...you need about 60 - 80% of the population to be infected and recovered. Yet, the recovery aspect is still being debated among the global scientist because Covid-19 is still new...they're still learning new things about it on a weekly basis. Simply, what's a fact today...there will be new facts next month...constant changing environment. For example, the province I live in was the best Covid-19 response Province the beginning of the Pandemic. Now its the worst Province but the past few days I think people are taking it more seriously now that more young people are being hospitalized...literally everybody is wearing a face mask now in comparison to very few wearing a face mask a few weeks ago. The latter above may be due to the fact that many Provincial prime ministers are now making face masks mandatory after a rise in the number of hospitalization in young adults. wrbtrader
Or it'll be over way before vaccine is ready because it's a fast spreading virus, most don't even realise they've had. More importantly what is that film?
So let's make this thread interesting. Let's throw in the BCG theory. Now it is acknowledged that former BCG shots can provide immunity or protection for Covid. https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/07/07/2008410117 Check the world atlas and see if you see any parallel among countries without BCG shots and with lots of Covid death: http://www.bcgatlas.org Vaccination only for special groups (aka no national vaccination): USA, Canada, Italy Former vaccination but not anymore: Spain, France, Sweden, UK Germany is particularly interesting because East Germany had the shot, West didn't. If you look at the German national spread, there is an obvious preference for the virus for West Germany. Although Berlin is the largest German city, the virus liked Hamburg, Frankfurt, Munich and Cologne more. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/europe/germany-coronavirus-cases.html A better map: https://www.zmescience.com/medicine/coronavirus-germany-cases-maps-charts-stats-news-94235/ TL;DR: Get a BCG shot for the future, if not for yourself for your kids.
You're forgetting that West Berlin was about twice the population of East Berlin, so the BCG shot portion of the city is similar in size to all the other cities you mentioned. Not that we could come to any useful conclusion anyway without analyzing population flows since reunification and stratifying that by those who got the shot and those who are higher risk, among other things we'd have to control for.
I am very impressed with your ability to research! There are scientific basis for the outcome. Still as the good Dr Fauci said, it is anecdotal.
Nope, it is not, click on the second German link. Berlin's pink circle is clearly smaller than the other big cities'. Now you could have argued that other cities were closer to the French and Italian border, thus infection spreading from the West/South had a higher impact, and you could have been right. But you didn't argue that, did you? Edit: See the quote in post #181, preliminary study backs the German difference.