Countdown to Horowitz beginning

Discussion in 'Politics' started by TreeFrogTrader, May 16, 2019.

  1. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    Your article is from 2018,which is good.Its good because it shows high on the charts in your article yet in 2018 Dems won The House by 10 million votes,the most ever and 23 of 33 Senate races.I would have to disagree with your interpretation of these polls
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    #661     Nov 30, 2019
  2. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    What did the polls and oddsmakers say before the 2016 election?
    LOL.
    Can’t wait for you to tell me they were right .....but they just were wrong.
    If she only had won those 3 states. She didn’t.
    She lost.
    The will of the American People and the Constitution won, too!
     
    #662     Nov 30, 2019
  3. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark



    In 2004,2008 and 2012 polls got The EC and popular vote right.

    In 2004,2008,2012 and 2016 polls got the popular vote right and was off by 78,000 votes in The EC in 2016.

    Polls were right in the 2018 mid terms

    I know which side I rather my candidate on
     
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    #663     Nov 30, 2019
  4. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    The will of the American People did not win if another candidate got millions more votes
     
    #664     Nov 30, 2019
  5. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    I can only track the oddsmakers to 2008 but in 2008,2012 and 2016 oddsmakers got the popular vote right and was off by 78,000 votes in The EC in 2016.

    2008 and 2012 the oddsmakers got The EC and popular vote right.

    I know which side I rather my candidate on
     
    #665     Nov 30, 2019

  6. Wow, you certainly seem to have a fixation on these polls as you have posted them dozens of times. It seems like you are almost a one trick pony whose trick is not that good:

    1. It is established that polls understate Trump’s true popularity because Trump supporters are less likely to participate in political polls than other groups. We have seen this in 2016. Remember? The reason seems to be related to Trump supporters not trusting the media and possibly by extension, pollsters. This is reasonable because the media is not about journalistic integrity anymore. In addition, Trump supporters are vilified in the media. Our media, formerly known as the news, is now about entertainment, raising funds from advertisers, raining funds for political campaigns, and to drive public opinion through propaganda.

    2. Trump’s national approval rating has been consistently higher than Democratic leaders such as Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, yet you spend almost all your time criticizing Trump. How do you reconcile these facts and maintain a straight face? In other words, Chuck and Nancy’s antics have long alienated voters, yet they seem to get a free pass in the press? Why would that be? Biases, perhaps?

    3. The polls you quote have questionable predictive value, especially this far before the election. There has not been one debate yet between Trump and a Democratic contender. Hell, we do not know who the Democratic contender will be yet. Seriously, do you see any current Democratic contender outperforming Hillary versus Trump in a debate?

    4. Trump political rallies attract massively more voters than any Democratic candidate. Current front runner, but fading, Joe Biden, has a hard time pushing a hundred. Whether you want to interpret my meaning to be public attendance at his rallies or his effective age, it is basically the same thing. Biden ranks higher in political polls where participants vote with their mouth, whereas Trump supporters go out of the house, travel, and wait in lines to show their support for Trump. The quality of candidate’s support is much higher when a decision maker has to spend a good part of their day at a rally than a minute or so on the phone with a friendly pollster.

    5. More voters are happier now about the direction of our country than during much of the heavily worshipped Obama Administration. This is yet another sign Trump’s popularity polls are not reflective of his Presidential performance. Could poll participant opinions been swayed by record post World War II Job market performance, record long economic expansion in the modern era, record high stock market, and no new wars? How about Trump’s willingness to still work with Democrats with such budget busters as humanitarian aid to those South of our border or giving his affirmative nod to Democratic led Social programs in the US? If Trump received fair and appropriate recognition for his leadership performance, his approval rating would be in the 80’s, in my estimation.

    6. Finally, Trump’s approval ratings increased during the unilateral Democrat impeachment effort. This is a pretty strong refutation of Democratic policy and by extension, governance. It would be hard to believe voters would be willing to entrust the Executive Branch to Democrats given their work product over the last 3 years such as false accusations, discredited investigations and investigators, and violation of Constitutional protections for political gain, to name a few.

    Tony, please try to be more than a one trick pony. There is more in this world than constantly reposting useless polls. I would rather you learn to cover actual issues, even if it highlighted some of Trump’s errors. In fact, if you weren’t so fixated on useless polls, you might have seen a couple of Trump screwups that went uncontested in the media. Wouldn’t is be more satisfying having regular debates on real content than rehashing the same thing over and over again.? Wouldn’t it be glorious to win a concession from me or other Conservative posters on ET on one of Trump’s screwups?
     
    #666     Nov 30, 2019
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  7. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    Only in response to Trump supporters arguing against them .You bring up polls too when you think they are beneficial like Trump going from a 41 to 43 approval rating
     
    #667     Nov 30, 2019
  8. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    This is false.National polls poll for the popular vote,and they were right in 2004,2008,2012 and 2016 about who would get the most votes.
     
    #668     Nov 30, 2019
  9. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Congressional leaders poll numbers are lower than presidents.The difference with Trump is Nancy and Chuck are closer to Trump than McConnell and Ryan were to Obama

    Ryan was around 30 when Obama was between 50-60

    Nancy is at 37 while Trump is at 41

    McConnell was around 25 when Obama was between 50-60

    Chuck is at 28 while Trump is at 41




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    #669     Nov 30, 2019
  10. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Obama Romney 2017

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    Obama McCain 2007



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    House polls Dec 2017 to July 2018 (Dec 2017 is the earliest poll available )


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    #670     Nov 30, 2019