Coughing up the $25k requirement for Pattern Day Trading

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by AeroKen83, Mar 16, 2006.

  1. The PDT Rule is old and no longer applicable to this low volatility environment. Plus, the $25k was simply pulled out of thin air and indexed to nothing.
    This is just another example of big government installing legislation and then not having the resources or the courage to DE-legislate poorly written laws.
    Funny thing in America today....more laws keep piling up. Where's my De-legislator when I need him ?
     
    #11     Mar 16, 2006
  2. Ebo

    Ebo

    NO firm with any risk management is going to let someone without a track record trade larger than 100 share lots.

    Trust me, you will be shut down once you blow through your deposit.
     
    #12     Mar 16, 2006
  3. And when said individual blows through his $1000, what do you think he's gonna do, with all that juicy capital still sitting there tempting him?

    Also, your said individual would not be able to daytrade his $20k savings down to nothing because the PDT requires him to stay above $25k.

    PDT is a good rule. Simply the fact that so many people hate it should be enough to demonstrate that. (Teens don't like their parents' rules either, even though they're ultimately good for them.)
     
    #13     Mar 16, 2006
  4. pdt is one of the rules that just doesn't make cents (and sense too).

    i can see how margin requirements protect the customer from her own stupidity, but PDT??? it does more harm than good...

    jesse "the boy plunger" livermore in the bucket shops, paul "the flipper" rotter, etc... :)
     
    #14     Mar 16, 2006
  5. zdreg

    zdreg

    since you are not presenting any arguments, I suggest that you don't utter Jessie's name in vain. :)
     
    #15     Mar 16, 2006

  6. Because it requires you to stay above $25k, it helps ensure that you won't lose all your capital daytrading.

    (You're talking about boy plungers and rotters but you need to remember that most people are going to lose money, not make it.)
     
    #16     Mar 16, 2006
  7. lakka

    lakka

    http://www.nasd.com/web/groups/rule...asdw_000879.pdf

    The rule is meant for daytraders but will in most cases affect others using holding times below 30-60 days and stops tighter than 2-3%. A few stops triggered on the day of entry over a couple of days is all it takes.
     
    #17     Mar 16, 2006
  8. Easy.

    trade spoos or ER2.
     
    #18     Mar 16, 2006
  9. lakka

    lakka

    as for protection the money from the new traders just flows in to more high leveraged instruments like futs and forex anyway, so it will be gone even faster.
    So those protected i would guess people with accounts used for investment but tempted to daytrade.Which was more likely back in the haydays when the rule was enforced.
     
    #19     Mar 16, 2006
  10. I always thought they should just tier the leverage you can get. You can put on as many trades as you like but have something like this.

    0-5,000 Cash only
    5,000-15,000 2:1 leverage
    15,000-25,000 3:1 leverage
    25,000+ 4:1 leverage
     
    #20     Mar 16, 2006