Cost of carrying futures

Discussion in 'Retail Brokers' started by cutetrader, Jan 7, 2017.

  1. comagnum

    comagnum

    As if this topic needs more input:

    The cost to carry a futures contract, without a roll involved if it expires, is the sum of: slippage, commissions, exchange fees, & bid-offer spreads.
     
    #21     Jan 7, 2017
  2. I believe the $5.2K figure was hypothetical. The current IB margin requirements for the ES are:

    Intraday initial: $3443.75
    Intraday maintenance: $2375
    Overnight initial: $6887.50
    Overnight maintenance: $4750

    As others noted, the term "cost of carry" that you used in the subject has nothing to do with the margin requirements.
     
    #22     Jan 7, 2017
  3. I am sorry for confusing with Cost to Carry
    I saw this on IB website and needed more info on that so asked you all
    https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=commission&p=futures2
     
    #23     Jan 7, 2017
  4. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor


    OK, now I know what you are talking about. On the IB tiered futures rate, that if for day trading. If you hold overnight positions, they charge you a fee for each day you carry it. We don't do that and most other FCM do not either.

    Carrying charges are applied for each net futures contract, net short call futures options, or net short put futures options on a single underlying for each business day the net futures position is held overnight. The carrying fee for accounts with excess equity in between the minimum requirement and 3x the minimum will have their carry fees extrapolated based on the table above.

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    #24     Jan 7, 2017
  5. xandman

    xandman

    WTH!
     
    #25     Jan 7, 2017
  6. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    The reality is that FCMs love day-traders. They have less risk and require no cap charge. Overnight positions require more monitoring, higher risk and your margin requirement must be meet by their capital to the tune of 8%. Eg. If your margin overnight is $100,000, they have to set aside $8000 of their capital.

    This is their way of charging for that. Most FCM don't do that.
     
    #26     Jan 7, 2017
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    #27     Jan 7, 2017
  8. comagnum

    comagnum

    Good point Robert - Although the original poster was talking about the ES contract.

    I was not aware, but not suprised that IB charged a premium if your account is not 3x greater than their margin requirements.
     
    #28     Jan 7, 2017
  9. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    The contract does not matter.
     
    #29     Jan 7, 2017
  10. Yeah, I believe these are only applicable to the FX contracts.
     
    #30     Jan 7, 2017