Conservative Options Trades

Discussion in 'Journals' started by danshirley, Aug 21, 2011.

  1. BTU:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obamas-climate-plan-takes-aim-202540276.html

    http://www.watchlistnews.com/2013/06/17/peabody-energy-stock-rating-reaffirmed-by-zacks-btu/

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=BTU&t=6m&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=

    With BTU at 15.03
    Trade #1
    Buy the Jan '14 15 put and sell the Jan '14 13 put for a net debit of $96

    Price...................P/L
    10.......................104
    12.......................104
    14.04................... 0.0
    15.......................(96)
    17.......................(96)
    20.......................(96)

    Trade #2
    Buy the Jan '14 15 call and sell the Jan '14 17 call for a net debit of $82

    Price...................P/L
    12......................(82)
    15......................(82)
    15.82..................0.0
    16........................18
    17.......................118
    20.......................118

    Trade #3
    Sell the Jan '14 $10 put and buy the Jan '14 $7 put for a net credit of $35.

    Price.......................P/L
    15...........................35
    10...........................35
    9.............................(65)
    7............................(265)
    5............................(265)

    A cogent argument can be made for all three trades.
    :)
     
    #511     Jun 26, 2013
  2. CBC

    CBC

    Ge nemesis,

    I didn't even know these sort of options trades existed. Very conservative.
     
    #512     Jun 27, 2013
  3. CCL:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bear-day-carnival-corp-ccl-045511662.html

    http://beta.fool.com/nmaithya/2013/...-is-a-sucker-r/39256/?source=eogyholnk0000001

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=CCL+Key+Statistics

    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/51377911#51377911

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=CCL+Basic+Chart

    Trade:
    Oct 38/43 bear call spread for a net credit of $50
    Yield = 50/450 = 11.1% in 102 days or 39.8% annualized
    Prob = 80%
    Expectation = .8(50) - .03(450) - .17(225) = 40 - 13.5 - 38.25 = -12

    (a credit of $55 would bring expectation to zero. This means that call options are a little underpriced... we are being paid a little low for the risk, consistent with a low vol environment. I will 'shop the spread' and see if the market will give us the better deal)
     
    #513     Jul 8, 2013
  4. hello,
    I tried to follow your strategy, but the gain is limited to $ 45 and the BEP is down to 9%.
     
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    #514     Jul 10, 2013
  5. What do you think instead of a strategy like the one below, that the BEP down is the same but you have a greater gain if the price of the underlying stops more or less the values ​​of now?
     
    #515     Jul 10, 2013
  6. TSLA:

    http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/07/16/tesla-motors-3-numbers-to-watch.aspx

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100890550?__...yahoo&doc=100890550|Tesla+shares+plunge+14+pe

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=TSLA

    Is it possible to have a 'Conservative Options Trade' on TSLA???


    Trade:
    Jan '15 40/35 bull put spread for a net credit of $75
    Yield = 75/425 = 17.6% in 539 days or 12% annualized
    Prob = 72.2%
    Expectation = .72(75) - .23(425) - .05(213) = 54 - 97.7 - 10.6 = -54

    (the expectation calculation is pure nonsense and simply reflects the extreme volatility of the TSLA stock since it announced its profitable quarter. This is now an event driven stock not a statistical distribution stock.)

    http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/08/autos/tesla-earnings/index.html

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoFVO31CbE0
     
    #517     Jul 16, 2013
  7. MCD:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/mcdonalds-falls-short-warns-tough-year-19732582

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/07/22/mcdonalds-2q-earnings/2574169/

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=MCD+Key+Statistics

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=MCD

    With MCD at 97.58

    Trade #1:

    Sell the Dec 105 call and buy the Dec 110 call for a net credit of $47
    Yield = 47/453 = 10.4% in 150 days or 25% annualized
    Prob = 78%
    Expectation = .78(47) - .10(453) - .12(226) = 37 - 45 - 27 = -35

    Price................P/L
    75....................47
    85....................47
    95....................47
    105..................47
    105.47..............0
    110.................(453)
    115.................(453)
    120.................(453)

    Trade #2
    Sell the Dec 85 Put and buy the Dec 80 put for a net credit of $32
    Yield = 32/468 = 6.8% in 150 days or 16.6% annualized
    Prob = 92%
    Expectation = .92(32) - .02(468) - .06(234) = 29.4 - 9.4 - 14.04 = 6

    Price................P/L
    75...................(468)
    80...................(468)
    84.68.................0
    85....................32
    95....................32
    105..................32
    110..................32

    Both together = an Iron Condor
     
    #518     Jul 23, 2013
  8. CFX:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/colfaxs-2q-earnings-beats-est-130619027.html

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/151...ebt-laden-and-huge-insider-sales?source=yahoo

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=CFX+Key+Statistics

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/co?s=CFX+Competitors

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=5y&s=CFX&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&ql=1&c=^GSPC

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=CFX&t=5d&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=^GSPC

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=5y&s=CFX&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=&ql=1


    With CFX at 52.48

    Trade #1
    Bear Put Spread
    Buy the Dec 52.50 put and sell the Dec 50 put for a net debit of $150
    Potential Yield = 100/150 = 67%

    Trade #2
    Bear Call Spread
    Sell the Dec 60 call and buy the Dec 65 call for a net credit of $35
    Yield = 35/465 = 7.53% in 146 days or 18.8% annualized
    Prob = 82%
    Expectation = .82(35) - .07(465) - .11(233) = 28.7 -32.55 - 25.6 = - 29

    If the S&P continues to forge ahead probably CFX will also. If the market hesitates and takes a correction CFX would probably show an outsized pull back due to its high valuation.
     
    #520     Jul 28, 2013