Conservative Options Trades

Discussion in 'Journals' started by danshirley, Aug 21, 2011.

  1. ORCL:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/oracles-3q-earnings-disappoint-122830931.html

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=ORCL+Key+Statistics

    http://investing.money.msn.com/investments/financial-statements?symbol=orcl

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=ORCL&t=5d&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=ORCL&t=1y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=

    Trade:

    Sept 26/21 bull put spread for $27
    Yield = 27/473 = 5.7% in 182 days = 5.7(365/182) = 11.4% annualized
    Prob = 88%
    Expectation = .88(27) - .01(473) - .11(236) = 23.8 - 4.7 - 25.9 = -6.8

    note: A slightly negative expectation is a warning sign that option prices are against us. With a heavy market like ORCL the MM's are sure to be on their toes and no gifts are to be expected.

    A return of $35 would produce an expectation of: .88(35) - .01(465) - .11(232) = 30.8 - 4.7 - 25.5 = 0

    So I would need $35 instead of the $27 that was being offered by the market at closing. I will watch and wait for ORCL to stabilize and see if the MM's make us a better offer in the future, or I could try for the $35 at open to see if I get filled.

    Often in a dynamic market you can get filled 'out of market' at the open just due to opening volatility. In addition ORCL could fall further which would push option prices up but would also lower computed probabilities.

    Probably best to just wait.
     
    #451     Mar 22, 2013

  2. .....:)
     
    #452     Mar 23, 2013
  3. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/oracles-3q-earnings-disappoint-122830931.html

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=ORCL+Key+Statistics

    http://investing.money.msn.com/investments/financial-statements?symbol=orcl

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=ORCL&t=5d&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=ORCL&t=1y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=

    Trade:

    Sept 26/21 bull put spread for $27
    Yield = 27/473 = 5.7% in 182 days = 5.7(365/182) = 11.4% annualized
    Prob = 88%
    Expectation = .88(27) - .01(473) - .11(236) = 23.8 - 4.7 - 25.9 = -6.8

    note: A slightly negative expectation is a warning sign that option prices are against us. With a heavy market like ORCL the MM's are sure to be on their toes and no gifts are to be expected.

    A return of $35 would produce an expectation of: .88(35) - .01(465) - .11(232) = 30.8 - 4.7 - 25.5 = 0

    So I would need $35 instead of the $27 that was being offered by the market at closing. I will watch and wait for ORCL to stabilize and see if the MM's make us a better offer in the future, or I could try for the $35 at open to see if I get filled.

    Often in a dynamic market you can get filled 'out of market' at the open just due to opening volatility. In addition ORCL could fall further which would push option prices up but would also lower computed probabilities.

    Probably best to just wait.
     
    #453     Mar 24, 2013
  4. ORCL:

    The expectation on that Sept 26/21 spread became zero today... with the spread yielding $35.

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=orcl

    :)


    I think we will see sub 30 on ORCL especially if the market as a whole takes a pause as many expect it to.

    Still waiting
     
    #454     Mar 25, 2013
  5. DRI:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/darden-3q-profit-falls-tops-112607535.html

    http://www.thestreet.com/story/1187...arden-restaurants.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=DRI+Key+Statistics

    http://investing.money.msn.com/investments/financial-statements?symbol=DRI

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=DRI+Basic+Chart

    Trade:

    Jan '14 40/35 bull put spread for a net credit of $61
    Yield = 61/439 = 13.9% in 297 days or 13.9(365/297) = 17.1% annualized.
    Prob = 91%
    Expectation = .91(61) - .02(439) - .07(219)= 55.5 - 8.78 - 15.33 = 31.39
     
    #455     Mar 26, 2013
  6. http://www.thestreet.com/story/1187...ve-below-are-buys.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ahead-bell-dollar-general-110554670.html



    Symb........Market Cap......P/E.........P/B.....Margin

    DG............17.2................18.3.......18.3......6.0%
    FDO............7.0................16.9........5.2.......4.4%
    DLTR.........10.9................18.0........6.5.......8.3%
    FIVE...........2.2..................NA........44.0......3.6%

    http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/perf.php?DG,FDO,DLTR,SPY

    DG Trade:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=DG&t=1y&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=

    Nov 40/35 bull put spread for $30
    Yield = 35/465 = 7.53% in 231 days or 11.9% annualized
    Prob = 88%
    Expectation = .88(35) - .04(465) - .08(232) = 30.5 - 18.6 - 18.6 = -6.7

    The closing bid/ask on the spread was .25/.65.

    .35 is the min I would take.
     
    #456     Mar 27, 2013
  7. SPY:

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    http://www.forbes.com/sites/investo...alued-stock-market-peak-time-to-book-profits/

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/investor/2013/03/25/three-etfs-to-short/

    With the S&P at an all time high there are a lot of articles accumulating to say that the market is 'overvalued'

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SPY&t=my&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=

    Of course there are also a lot of 'momentum' people who say 'The sky's the limit'.

    :)

    Here is a low risk trade to make a little money if the overvaluation thesis is true... and the market recognizes it by next December.

    Trade:
    With SPY at 156.19:
    Dec 170/172 bear call spread for a net credit of $41
    Yield = 41/159 = 26% in 267 days or 36% annualized.
    Prob = 82%
    (it even has a positive expectation)
    Expectation = .82(41) - .15(159) - .03(80) = 33.6 - 23.8 - 2.4 = 7.4

    Price.................P/L
    150..................$41
    155..................$41
    160..................$41
    165..................$41
    170..................$41
    175..................($159)
    180..................($159)
     
    #457     Mar 28, 2013
  8. CRL:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ahead-bell-charles-river-laboratories-110804292.html

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/mixed-4q-charles-river-195629464.html

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=CRL&t=5y&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=

    With CRL at 44.16

    Nov 55/60 bear call spread for a net credit of $60
    Yield = 60/440 = 13.6% in 226 days or 22% annualized
    Prob = 84%
    Expectation = .84(60) - .09(440) - .07(220) = 50.4 - 39.6 - 15.4 = -4.6
    With a fill at $60 you get a neutral to negative expectation.
    Currently the bid/ask on the spread is .20/.60
    So a fill at $60 is very unlikely... but possible and I need at least $60 to make a statistically sound trade.
    If CRL goes down on the downgrade it might make a better trade.
    I'll put this trade on the wait list.
     
    #459     Apr 3, 2013
  9. CRL ct'd:

    CRL has indeed dropped:
    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=crl

    and has left my previous proposed credit spread with a credit of $0.

    New Trade:
    With CRL at 42.65

    Nov 45/40 bear put spread for a net debit of $275

    Price.............P/L
    30................225
    35................225
    40................225
    42.25...........0.0
    45...............(275)
    50...............(275)
     
    #460     Apr 3, 2013