Conservative Options trades

Discussion in 'Options' started by danshirley, Oct 18, 2009.

  1. sync

    sync

    Dan has an interesting concept - take a public options forum and create a thread for your own personal journal. Just imagine what this forum would be like if everyone did that.
     
    #71     Nov 19, 2009
  2. Would your comment be different if Dan concluded each of his posts with "Discuss"?
     
    #72     Nov 19, 2009
  3. sync

    sync

    My comment is based on this statement from Dan:

     
    #73     Nov 19, 2009
  4. JPope

    JPope

    Might be the oddest thread I've seen on ET...
     
    #74     Nov 20, 2009
  5. GLD
    Inflation hedge
    Jan 2012: Sell the 100 put and buy the 90:
    .........P/L
    80 ...(630)
    90 ...(630)
    100...370
    110...370
    120...370
    --------------
    req....630
    Yield: 59% in 781 days or 27% annualized.
     
    #75     Nov 22, 2009
  6. Nov expiration:
    MCD SSF covered call expired on Sat.
    Yield = 64/969 = 6.6% in 33 days or 73% annualized.
    found money
    :)
     
    #76     Nov 22, 2009
  7. HUMBLEBEE

    HUMBLEBEE

    Hi Dan,

    I am still trying to learn, can you help me finish this table,

    TEVA JAN 2011 40/35 BPS

    Above 40 = 90.3886 %
    ./. 35 & 40 = 6.6891%
    below 35 = 2.9222%

    P/L

    30 (431)
    35 (431)
    37.5 ?
    40 69
    45 69
    ___________________

    req'd 431

    I am using 11/20/09 closing prices on those options, I hardly pay bid / ask, I
    usually put in limit order until they get filled. Based on probability tables, wouldn't

    Exp = (69 * 0.903886) - ( ? * 0.66891)
    - (431*0.02922)
    = 62.368 - ? - 12.594682
    = + 've

    STILL A GO for this trade.....

    If we all think long term interest rate has to go up, isn't it better just to sell
    Jan 2011 TBT $45 PUT for $5.90
    neighborhood...than to play TLT.

    It takes me more than a month to track you down, having to work 2 jobs to make ends meet. It is none better in my life to find out these conservative options trades. I have learned a great ton. Since 3Q of 2008, I really have to take more control of my finances instead of relying on 401k and IRA, even I have them mostly in Vanguard, T Rowe Price, Harbor, Wanger and American funds.

    Thanx for your response, please keep posting...http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/newre...newreply.php?action=newreply&threadid=179624#
     
    #77     Nov 23, 2009
  8. For the jan 2011 40/35 I get:

    ..............P/L
    35........(445)
    37.5 ....(197)
    40........ 55
    45.........55
    ------------------------
    Req: 445
    return: 55/445 = 12.3% in 425 days or 10.5% annualized
    Prob > 40 = 90.4%
    Prob > 35 <40 = 6.7%
    Prob < 35 = 2.9%
    exp = .904(55) - .067(197) - .029(445) = 23.6

    try to get a fill at 60 instead of 55.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TEVA&t=2y&l=off&z=m&q=c&c=
     
    #78     Nov 23, 2009
  9. re TBT: I stay away from doing options on the ultras because they use futures and do not track over longer periods of time.
    TLT on the other hand holds treasuries rather than futures on treasuries.

    Just my bias.
     
    #79     Nov 23, 2009
  10. HUMBLEBEE

    HUMBLEBEE

    Just got home from work, I know it's a
    little late. Wish everyone has a nice
    Thanksgiving.

    Humblebee
     
    #80     Nov 26, 2009