Conservative Mind Set & Conspiracy Theories

Discussion in 'Politics' started by piezoe, Oct 23, 2013.

  1. LEAPup

    LEAPup

    I'm taking you off ignore for the PURE comedy. The FACT that you're going to burn in Hell for eternity I can't help. Helping myself to your lunacy/comedy is pure enjoyment.
     
    #541     Jan 24, 2014
  2. fhl

    fhl


    Yeah, you're a proponent of truth and the constitution, just like all democrats.

    LMAO
     
    #542     Jan 24, 2014
  3. BSAM

    BSAM

    I can tell you exactly: EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE.
     
    #543     Jan 24, 2014
  4. jem

    jem

    here was your quote. I see you stated Bush was appointed by the court.



    then I said this...



    then I said this.

     
    #544     Jan 24, 2014
  5. LEAPup

    LEAPup

    This is what he sadly stands for, and worships like a God:
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    #545     Jan 24, 2014
  6. jem

    jem

    then I said this.

     
    #546     Jan 24, 2014
  7. piezoe

    piezoe

    Actually I wrote "anointed" rather than "appointed"? These are not the same words. Since in the U.S. Supreme court case Bush was seeking relief from Florida's Supreme Court decision, you are correct, it would have been technically correct had I referred to Bush as the petitioner rather than plaintiff and Gore as the Respondent rather than defendant, since it was Gore that opposed the petition. Nevertheless, that case was brought by Bush not Gore. Gore's lawyers both botched that case and failed to bring a petition on 20th Amendment grounds where they had the best chance of prevailing. Frankly, I think I could ask 10 practicing lawyers to tell me what the 20th Amendment speaks to and less than half would know without looking the Amendment up. Why this was swept under the rug is something I'll never understand.
     
    #547     Jan 24, 2014
  8. jem

    jem

    The quote I was referencing --- you stated appointed.
    Appointed / anointed different words yes... but the point was you were acting like there was some sort of problem with bush being less than fully legitimate.
    It was gore's people who brought suit to stop Kathrine Harris from certifying the election. Florida Sup Ct found for Gore. US. Sup Court said FL was wrong.



    your 20th amendment argument is a red herring.
    we had no need for a temporary president.
    gore was not trying to be a temporary president.

    bush won the vote.
    and even when the media did a post mortem he won the vote again.




     
    #548     Jan 24, 2014
  9. jem

    jem

    I want to stress that you have not only been wrong every step so far piezoe... you are are arguing with Scalia about Bush v. Gore. Again I would think that is foolhardy.

    here what he says.
    Gore brought it .
    Gore lost on the votes anyway.

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    #549     Jan 24, 2014
  10. piezoe

    piezoe

    Why don't you just quote me instead of claiming I wrote something I didn't. Wouldn't that be easier. I didn't comment on specific litigation in Florida, nor am I much interested in it. Suffice it to say that Gore's attempt to limit recounts to the precincts favoring him was transparent and asinine. My interest lies with Bush v Gore. If you make one more attempt to read what I wrote and try to understand it, perhaps you will realize that I have no interest in arguing with Scalia or the Court. That would be pointless. My entire interest revolves around the question of why the Gore camp took the approach they did before the Court.

    When Scalia said that Gore decided to challenge the election results in the courts he was referring to the Florida courts of course. My post was only concerned with the Bush Petition brought to the U.S. Supreme Court, and the failure of the Gore camp to press the issue raised by the 20th Amendment. That is the issue of greatest interest to me. That Scalia is defensive when confronted with Bush v Gore is quite understandable. His response "get over it!" and " the outcome would have been the same regardless" completely skirt the legal argument. Disappointing and unprofessional in a Supreme Court Justice to say the least.

    Alan Dershowitz, never one to mince words, called the Courts decision in Bush v Gore "the most egregious ruling since the Dred Scott Decision." I don't know if i'd agree with that sentiment, but it definitely was not the Court's most shining hour. In my opinion Gore and his lawyers handled the case badly. Why, for example, did Gore not ask Judge Thomas to recuse himself when it was known that his wife was heavily involved with the Bush campaign? And most importantly, why did Gore not petition on the basis of the 20th Amendment? That should have produced a stay until the Florida mess could be resolved. Yes, the outcome would have been the same. But the Court would then have exalted the correct election outcome over petty bickering, and acknowledged that consideration of the specified inauguration date was rendered moot by the 20th Amendment.

    Respond if you like, but I have nothing more to add regarding Bush v Gore, and why I found Bushes' claim that we were Democracy building in Iraq so ironic.
     
    #550     Jan 24, 2014