Conservative hero Roy Moore diddles 14 year old girls

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Nov 9, 2017.

  1. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    So can due process happen if the statute of limitation is far gone? If that's the case, do we just resign to elect a potential predator/pedophile?
     
    #391     Nov 27, 2017

  2. Due process has already happened. The alleged victims and the State of Alabama had years to bring cases but did not wish to do so and the process that is equally applied to all closes out the case. There is no provision for extending the statute of limitations because you want to put a political opponent in jail.

    And no, "we" do not just have to resign to electing a pedophile", alleged. There are others on the ballot, including write-in options. Also, you have to be a registered voter in Alabama. It's their state and their senator.
     
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    #392     Nov 28, 2017
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  3. Media Ignore Bombshell Info Raising Major Questions About Motives of Roy Moore Accuser

    by Aaron Klein29 Nov 20171,117

    29 Nov, 2017 29 Nov, 2017
    Birmingham, ALABAMA — For the past two and a half weeks, media outlets across the U.S. have uncritically featured allegations made by Tina Johnson, an Alabama woman who claims that Republican senatorial candidate Roy Moore groped her in his office decades ago.
    Yet as of this writing, a Google News search finds that not a single news media outlet in the U.S. has reported on the existence of court documents – first publicized on Sunday by Breitbart News – that may raise questions about Johnson’s motives in making the groping accusation.

    The U.S. news media apparently do not find it noteworthy to mention that the documents show Moore represented Johnson’s mother in a nasty custody case for Johnson’s then 12-year-old son, Daniel Sitz. In the case, Johnson was repeatedly painted by Moore’s client as an unfit, absent and unstable mother and was accused of taking her son from his elementary school against his will.

    Johnson’s mother was ultimately awarded custody in the case.

    One affidavit signed by Johnson’s mother while she was represented by Moore accused Johnson of having a “violent nature” and noted that she “has been treated by a psychiatrist when she was approximately 15 years of age.” Johnson was a teenage mother.

    The news media has also ignored separate criminal documents showing that as late as 2010, Johnson was arrested and pled guilty to felony fraud charges related to checks belonging to a family member. She also entered a court drug program.


    Speaking to AL.com, Johnson first went public with the claim that Moore groped her when she was “on legal business with her mother” in 1991. The website noted that “Johnson reached out to AL.com” to discuss her alleged experience with Moore.

    The website related that Johnson was “at the office to sign over custody of her 12-year-old son to her mother, with whom he’d been living.”

    Johnson claimed that, after the two met with Moore, her mother walked out of the office door first and that, as Johnson was walking out, Moore grabbed her buttocks from behind. “He didn’t pinch it; he grabbed it,” she claims.

    Johnson claims that she was so surprised by Moore’s alleged actions that she didn’t mention anything to her mother — even though Johnson described her mother as sitting next to her in Moore’s office just before the alleged incident.

    Johnson’s mother, Mary Katherine Cofield, had hired Moore, then a private attorney, to represent her in the custody case for Johnson’s son, Daniel Sitz. The custody documents, filed by Moore, refer to Johnson by her married name at the time, Tina Sitz.


    AL.com reported that it “located the court documents from 1991, detailing the custody transfer.”

    The website did not report on the nastiness of the soap opera-like custody case or that Moore’s client filed numerous court documents with allegations against Johnson. In one affidavit, Cofield stated that Johnson “has a violent nature and has been treated by a psychiatrist when she was approximately 15 years of age.”

    Another document, signed by Moore, stated that Cofield — and not Johnson — was the “most fit and proper person” to have custody of Daniel Sitz.

    Johnson’s son had resided with his grandmother, Cofield, since he was nine months old. Cofield says that, during those years, she provided Daniel with food, clothing and shelter “without any assistance” from Johnson. A judge officially granted Cofield full custody on September 23, 1991.

    In the custody documents, Johnson is accused of taking her son against his will. A September 11, 1991 affidavit signed by Daniel says that two days earlier, Johnson took him from elementary school “against my will and made me go to her home.”


    An affidavit signed by Johnson’s mother claimed that Johnson took Daniel from school “forcefully and without my permission.”

    Immediately after the school incident, documented by Moore’s office, Cofield was granted temporary custody of Daniel until the September 23 hearing at which she received permanent custody.

    Daniel stated that he wants to “live with my grandmother with whom I have lived as long as I can remember.”

    The AL.com article, meanwhile, mentioned in one sentence in the 18th paragraph of its story that Johnson “has pled guilty to writing bad checks, and for third-degree theft of property, which she said stemmed from family disagreement over the care of her late stepfather.”

    Criminal and court records reviewed by Breitbart News find that she was arrested on February 25, 2010 on the felony charge of criminal possession of a forged instrument and theft by deception. She spent one day in jail and was released on bond.


    The case revolved around the charges of intent to “defraud, possess or utter” checks in the amounts of $288, $129.96, $259.92, $300, and $170 respectively. She was also charged with obtaining or exerting unauthorized control over five checks for $25 each with intent to “deprive the owner of said property.”

    Those five checks were in the name of “W.G. Cofield,” ostensibly her late stepfather. Cofield personally appeared to file charges against Johnson, criminal records show.

    Johnson claims that Moore groped her in 1991 at his private law practice on Third Street in Gadsden, Alabama.

    Last week, Breitbart News interviewed Delbra Adams, Moore’s former longtime secretary and judicial assistant. Adams said that, in her 13 years of working for Moore, she never saw or experienced any inappropriate conduct toward women.

    Adams worked for Moore in 1991 at the time of Johnson’s accusations. Adams’s desk was right outside his office door at the time. Adams’ name was signed as a notary on one of the custody documents filed in Johnson’s case on behalf of Johnson’s mother, Cofield.

    Numerous attempts to reach Johnson for comment were unsuccessful.

    Moore has strenuously denied the numerous accusations against him.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...questions-about-motives-of-roy-moore-accuser/
     
    #393     Nov 29, 2017
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  4. The first accuser's story was also full of holes. She was a troubled teen whose custody was being transferred from her mother to her father because she was essentially out of control. Her story would not stand up for two minutes of cross examination.

    Then there is the woman trotted out by disgraced ambulance chaser Gloria Allred. This was the laughably fake yearbook signature claim. Allred still, weeks later, has refused to make the yearbook available for forensic examination. As a con artist and democrat hitwoman, Allred knows that what is important is the salaciousness of the allegation, not its truth.

    The way these allegations magically appeared after the primary and before the general election should have been enough to raise any objective person's skepticism. We are supposed to believe that some diligent young Washpost reporter somehow unearthed women who had contact with Moore 40 years ago and had been sitting on explosive allegations for that long.

    We now know that there are slime shops like this Fusion operation that are run by former "journalists" and whose specialty is creating false but highly damaging allegations. They create toxic allegations out of whole cloth that are impossible to refute--how do you prove a negative?--and feed them to their corrupt media buddies who are only too happy to advance the ball for their side. So our politics are tainted by "dossiers" alleging improbable but unprovable and embarrassing allegations against a presidential candidate or toxic claims of abuse of teen girls by a man in his 30's. The usual lynch mobs are formed, careers and reputations are ruined and slime merchants pocket big checks.
     
    #394     Nov 29, 2017
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  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    I will agree that the credibility of the woman rolled out by Allred fell apart. From others saying she never worked in the restaurant, the wrong location for where dumpsters were located, to the apparently fake yearbook signature, etc. Unfortunately her lies impact the validity appearance of claims made by other victims.

    Currently it appears the claims made by the other victims of Moore are valid and truthful IMO.
     
    #395     Nov 29, 2017
  6. Other than hatred of southern Christian conservatives, I can't really see a basis for believing any of the claims. The most damaging of them come from women who could charitably be described as troubled. Troubled then, troubled now. They may well be telling the truth, none of us have any way of knowing, but are we prepared to destroy a man's reputation on this basis?

    A dozen or so women who had known Judge Moore his entire adult life gave testimonials that the claims were totally inconsistent with everything they knew of the man. Are their stories not at all probative?
     
    #396     Nov 29, 2017
  7. One news network actually did some investigative reporting on the Moore allegations. The results were shocking. One of the supposedly credible accusers, a former police woman, had two sons and a brother who were involved in drug dealing. Moore prosecuted her brother and put him in prison. Another guy he came down on as a judge for failure to pay alimony has a brother...who is an editor at the Washington Post. Like I said, a good attorney could demolish these claims in two minutes on cross examination.

     
    #397     Nov 30, 2017
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