concept for adjoining (rough) realized index values to the (smooth) interpolated term structure curv

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by steve42, Oct 21, 2023.

  1. steve42

    steve42

    the markets are highly endogenous , sometimes i do eyeball the charts but in my subconscios the volatility models are helping me think about it, but now that I've figured out how to solve this fractional Ricatti ODE i can finish my rough volatility pricer and make it much more effective
     
    #11     Oct 24, 2023
  2. steve42

    steve42

    I dont do pairs trading, its called cointegration though
     
    #12     Oct 24, 2023
  3. steve42

    steve42

    No they come from the price of the futures contracts The index values are only known up to the present moment but the futures prices are projected prices at future moments based on information available at the present moment
     
    #13     Oct 24, 2023
  4. 2rosy

    2rosy

    not sure what you are going for. But are you trying to see a spot price along a forward curve?
     
    #14     Oct 26, 2023
  5. steve42

    steve42

    I'm trying to combine two elements of the UI that would normally be in separate parts into one
     
    #15     Oct 26, 2023
  6. @steve42
    I think this will be useful....
    I do something along those lines, but it takes extra steps to set up (in TOS platform).

    - In my case, the "price forecast" is just the "probability of expiring" tool (which is based on current options pricing i.e. market expectations)
    - TOS then allows you to do a few more steps to draw the (red) lines of where your breakeven points are.

    Do you want to use this UI for futures pricing, or your own vol forecast?
     
    #16     Nov 4, 2023
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  7. steve42

    steve42

    Yeah something like that very close I didn't envision using a price range just like you did there I was envisioning literally using the futures term structure for the same instrument which would give the average expectation and then I could apply the implied volatilities to generate the width on the thing like you have there in your chart but very nice thanks for sharing
     
    #17     Nov 5, 2023
  8. steve42

    steve42

    I'm envisioning using it for both One of them being the market expectations and the other one being the calibrated market forecast which should almost always be the same because the model that I am implementing is known to calibrate perfectly even for short durations but it can tell you for instance perhaps useful information to see the slight deviations between those and to also make manual adjustments to the implied future structure if you have some personal expectation that deviates from market expectations
     
    #18     Nov 5, 2023
  9. destriero

    destriero


    You already have the synthetics in the weekly options. Why would you use only the futures to interpolate?
     
    #19     Nov 5, 2023
  10. steve42

    steve42

    That's a great point I wouldn't . I haven't got all that part there yet because the models that I have for pricing are for options only (jointly calibrating to SPX and VIX at the same time with the same parameters) they are similar to the future pricing's models but I just haven't got to that stage yet.

    I understand you can simulate volatility options like Vicks on single name stocks with synthetics but you have to basically rehedge those constantly to keep them in line do you not and the spreading commissions eat up most of it?
     
    #20     Nov 5, 2023