Comp Sci prof who doesn't think much of crypto

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by tango29, Jul 10, 2022.

  1. Nothing can defy gravity forever. The law of gravity in this context is that something that doesn't pay you anything in the future, isn't worth anything in the present. You could claim the same for fiat currencies such as USD, but that is not even true. I can't put it in a savings account and get paid for it.
     
    #31     Jul 11, 2022

  2. You can't put a gold coin in your savings account either. However, you can buy a gold coin from a coin store, keep it at your house and sell it when the price goes up back to that same coin store or another.
     
    #32     Jul 11, 2022
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  3. deaddog

    deaddog

    But you have to find someone to buy it from you. New money comes in to pay the existing investors. That has to come from someone else. Bitcoin doesn't have any income.
    That fits the deifinition of a ponzi.
     
    #33     Jul 11, 2022
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  4. deaddog

    deaddog

    The thing is that gold has a value as a commodity. there is a demand for it in jewelry and electronic. where is the demand for bitcoin?
     
    #34     Jul 11, 2022
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  5. tango29

    tango29

    Part of what I thought the value of crypto was that it could be used as a currency, but how do you do that if it continues to fluctuate wildly? Can a business really afford to take payment in crypto and see it drop a few thousand in value, or more? Or the guy who bought pizza with his crypto, do you buy something and then watch it skyrocket.
    When will it stabilize or will it? An investment in hopes of an increase, I guess. That is a choice someone can make, but right now as a medium of exchange a business would have to be nuts to take crypto. They have inventory costs, etc. that they can't afford to take even short-term losses on it while waiting and hoping for it to come back.
     
    #35     Jul 11, 2022
  6. No you don't. It's just like if you bought 100 shares of Microsoft on a stock exchange. The price is the current market price. You can sell at market price, it is filled by the exchange, you don't need to start calling around and asking people if they want to buy your Bitcoin.
     
    #36     Jul 11, 2022
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  7. Not exactly. Commodities don't have income either. I still think cryptos are at least Ponzi-adjacent, but not for that reason.
     
    #37     Jul 11, 2022
  8. deaddog

    deaddog

    I'm well aware of that. Where is the demand for bitcoin going to come from? Someone who believes the price is going to increase.
    If you buy your bitcoin from another investor the money stays in the system. if you are going to make a profit you (thru an exchange who takes a small cut whether you make a profit or not) have to find someone to pay you a higher price. The only way you can make money is if someone else believes it is a good investment. New money coming in to pay the investor.
    The miners on the other hand take money out of the system. Here's a digital token, thanks for the cash, goodluck finding a greater fool.
     
    #38     Jul 11, 2022
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  9. deaddog

    deaddog

    Commodities have an inherent value in that there is an end use.
     
    #39     Jul 11, 2022
  10. johnarb

    johnarb

    deaddog has been (playing) stupid on this concept of trading when it comes to Bitcoin

    Bitcoin has over $20B of daily trading volume on worldwide exchanges, but he's too dumb to understand it, somehow

    Good luck to you, deaddog will waste your time spinning the simplest things around
     
    #40     Jul 11, 2022
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