Combining multiple systems

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by Arrow, Sep 4, 2008.

  1. MAESTRO

    MAESTRO

    Are you sure??? :D Did you try the Bayes formula? Where do you think is the trick? Can you capitalize on it?
     
    #81     Sep 22, 2008
  2. mind

    mind

    all prior and conditional likelihoods are 50%, so the
    final conditional is 50% as well. it is like coin tossing.
    there is no probability different from random. there
    is no sequence ... it is repetition of identical trials. or
    i am really missing something here ... but i have no
    math background, so what do know? enlighten me.

    i would say:
    P(A) = 50%
    P(B) = 50%
    P(B/A) = 50%

    so P(A/B) is 50% as well. where is my flaw?
     
    #82     Sep 22, 2008
  3. mind

    mind

    and: NO way of capitalizing on it. random in random out.
    no moderator know how entering on any level, no shift
    of any odds.
     
    #83     Sep 22, 2008
  4. d08

    d08

    Exactly, when two losing systems are simultaneously in a drawdown - which they will be certainly at some point, since they're losing systems. That said, I imagine trading the equity curve can be a very profitable strategy (I've only briefly looked into the subject).
     
    #84     Sep 22, 2008
  5. mind

    mind

    well, if your losing systems have streaks, meaning
    they show significant positive auto correlation, then
    you might be able to build a positive strategy out of
    two of which both are not be able to make it on their
    own as a stand alone. the point is that the P()s deviate
    from 50% once you have positive auto corr ...
     
    #85     Sep 22, 2008
  6. MAESTRO

    MAESTRO

    A hint: Number 2 and 3 result in "0" loss/gain. So you can reduce the problem to this 3 outcomes: gain, loss, break even with 33% probability each. Similar to the "boy/girl problem" in the "twins" paradox

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_or_Girl
     
    #86     Sep 22, 2008
  7. mind

    mind

    "... If you knew that this stock has in fact gained $1 a share (moderator affect) what is the probability that this stock will gain another $1 a share?"

    that was your initial question. i stick to my answer of
    1/2, since it is repetition independent trials. i see no
    way how this could go to 2/3. your assumption that the
    stock makes +1 in t1 does not cancel out just one path
    (-1 -1) but two (-1 -1 AND -1 +1). and if you use the
    bayesian formula you cannot treat the two paths with the
    end result of zero as one. otherwise the conditional
    P gets it wrong, which must assume that in t1 a +1
    happened.
     
    #87     Sep 22, 2008
  8. mind

    mind

    and the comparison to the twins does not hold water,
    since you cancel out not only Girl Girl but Girl Boy
    either. your assumption is that the first child is a Boy.
    and your question is: is the next child a boy. and the
    clear answer (here order matters) is: 1/2.

    IMHO.
     
    #88     Sep 22, 2008
  9. mind

    mind

    my point is: since your assumption cancels out 50%
    of the paths you CANNOT throw cases 2 and 3 in one
    basket.
     
    #89     Sep 22, 2008
  10. mind

    mind

    i do not see how the result 0 can have 1/3 probability
    with two paths from four leading there. in my eyes
    0 has 50% chance, the others 25%. you have four
    outcomes, not three. since it is about conditional probs
    you cannot aggregate 2 and 3.
     
    #90     Sep 22, 2008