i've thought about selling some of my back burner work on there too, and spent some time trying to reverse engineer from the historical fills of a handful of the better looking systems. after discovering impossible fills on top of absurdly inflated results, i don't feel i can trust that it's even worth my time to do that if it's obfuscated to that degree, i question whether anything on there is authentic. 50% cut of subscriptions is also pretty hefty imo though, the truly egregious practice is advertising emini intraday systems as if they're making a hypothetical 60k in a normal month. cmon guys
An alternative to collective2 is a new site that just came out called TradersCue. The author service fees are much lower and they're actively building features that should meet most of the needs of position and day traders. Check it out. www.traderscue.com
The current (probably today's) addition of Max Drawdown data (showed below) supplied by C2 should be useful to make the site and its vendors more professional and credible, imo. This table was last updated on => Tue Nov 1 18:53:58 2005 Annualized % => 115.35% over 121 days (5 Nov 05) Sharpe Ratio => 1.01 Max Drawdown => 9.24% (20050705 to 20050707)
Q http://www.collective2.com/cgi-perl...aypage=tutorial/sherpa/amat/amat4.sessionhtml Third, Collective2 already has a community of nearly 1,000 active traders who are shopping for trading ideas and trading systems. So making your system available on Collective2 is a great way to start making a name for yourself. UQ Are there any statistics about attracting how many paying customers for individual systems (or for the top ten most popular systems)? So that a systems seller knows precisely the total number of paying customers using the system through the site.
I really like collective2. I have subsribed to a system which trades stocks, and the trades are executed via TradeBullet, so there's no problem with possible email delays. Sometimes it happens that some singals aren't executed though, so it's necessary to compare the system's open positions with your actual open positions each day. For system vendors, you don't need to use the slow order entry interface, but you can call specified URLs to transmit orders instead. IMO, signal transmission could easily be automated that way.
Where have those losers for 67.9% or more than -$100,000 between (20050727 to 20050809) gone disappearing, with only -$1,999 can be found below??? http://www.collective2.com/cgi-perl...a&session=39932641874173754668141452852351659 Q Max Drawdown 67.9% (20050727 to 20050809) BTO => 80 => GBP/JPY => 199.78 => 10/12/05 03:23 => STC => 80 => 200.15 => 10/12/05 06:45 => $2,582.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => $2,582.00 STO => 80 => GBP/USD => 1.74 => 7/27/05 8:54 => BTC => 80 => 1.74 => 10/12/05 03:03 => $80.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => $80.00 STO => 80 => EUR/USD => 1.23 => 8/25/05 1:50 => BTC => 80 => 1.23 => 09/12/05 08:50 => -$1,440.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => -$1,440.00 BTO => 80 => USD/JPY => 109.93 => 8/25/05 1:51 => STC => 80 => 110.43 => 09/08/05 04:45 => $3,630.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => $3,630.00 BTO => 80 => USD/JPY => 110.13 => 8/24/05 9:36 => STC => 80 => 110.35 => 8/24/05 11:26 => $1,499.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => $1,497.00 STO => 80 => EUR/USD => 1.23 => 8/24/05 9:34 => BTC => 80 => 1.22 => 8/24/05 11:25 => $2,480.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => $2,480.00 STO => 80 => EUR/USD => 1.22 => 8/22/05 6:00 => BTC => 80 => 1.22 => 8/24/05 2:52 => $1,280.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => $1,280.00 BTO => 80 => USD/CHF => 1.27 => 8/23/05 6:09 => STC => 80 => 1.27 => 8/23/05 11:09 => $1,572.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => $1,572.00 BTO => 80 => USD/JPY => 109.71 => 8/22/05 6:07 => STC => 80 => 109.92 => 8/23/05 4:25 => $1,529.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => $1,529.00 STO => 80 => GBP/JPY => 197.14 => 7/29/05 4:35 => BTC => 80 => 196.93 => 8/22/05 5:56 => $1,531.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => $1,531.00 STO => 80 => USD/JPY => 110.66 => 8/19/05 3:44 => BTC => 80 => 110.2 => 8/22/05 2:07 => $3,340.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => $3,340.00 STO => 80 => EUR/USD => 1.21 => 7/29/05 8:48 => BTC => 80 => 1.21 => 8/19/05 3:42 => -$560.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => -$559.00 STO => 80 => EUR/JPY => 135.2 => 7/27/05 8:57 => BTC => 80 => 134.64 => 8/18/05 9:52 => $4,059.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => $4,059.00 STO => 80 => EUR/USD => 1.21 => 7/29/05 3:38 => BTC => 80 => 1.21 => 7/29/05 4:31 => $1,760.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => $1,760.00 STO => 80 => GBP/USD => 1.74 => 7/27/05 6:27 => BTC => 80 => 1.74 => 7/27/05 8:31 => $2,400.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => $2,400.00 STO => 80 => GBP/USD => 1.74 => 7/27/05 4:46 => BTC => 80 => 1.74 => 7/27/05 5:37 => $1,040.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => $1,039.00 STO => 60 => EUR/JPY => 135.08 => 7/26/05 10:35 => BTC => 60 => 134.87 => 7/26/05 11:39 => $1,122.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => $1,122.00 BTO => 80 => GBP/USD => 1.74 => 7/26/05 8:52 => STC => 80 => 1.74 => 7/26/05 10:22 => $2,480.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => $2,480.00 STO => 80 => GBP/USD => 1.74 => 7/25/05 5:16 => BTC => 80 => 1.74 => 7/26/05 4:51 => $1,200.00 => $0.00 => $0.00 => $1,200.00 UQ
Excellent question, OddTrader. I've looked into that a while ago. Actually, no trades have gone missing there. All equity curves and drawdown stats on C2 are derived on an Unrealized, i.e, continuously mark-to-market, intra-day basis. The "Closed Positions" past performance tables are just what the title says: Closed, or Realized basis. It's almost apples and oranges. For many types of forex trading systems, employing wide stops (including Hawk-fx), a strong argument can be made that the latter (Realized / Closed) equity curves and DD stats are considerably more useful and informative. Unless, of course, you are (= one is, not you) a risk-averse institutional investor, evaluating a system's track record...
Price vs Time automatic systems will never work on the long run. Illusion, religion, rituals etc. Dancing around the bone fire praying for rain. Collective? Another place for enjoyable masturbation. Bunch of kids ... 1 dollar store for trading systems. Would you like a candy with your purchase?