CNN: Confederates were terrorists

Discussion in 'Politics' started by MohdSalleh, Apr 11, 2010.

  1. ...and when a bank ruthlessly forecloses on a grandmother who is behind on the mortgage you cheer for the banker.

    Just leave America and go elsewhere...please.

     
    #21     Apr 11, 2010

  2. 1) No thanks.
    For now I'll just have to deal with a Constitution without a country.

    2) Yeah , right. I myself am insignificant economically speaking but when 200+ million people realize their on the track of East Germany (pre-1990) things won't look so bright.
     
    #22     Apr 11, 2010

  3. Yeah, squatters rights states have such a stellar history of economic freedom and wealth creation.
     
    #23     Apr 11, 2010
  4. ...and when a bank ruthlessly forecloses on a grandmother who is behind on the mortgage you cheer for the banker.

     
    #24     Apr 11, 2010
  5. The hypocrisy you authoritarian socialist fools employ is absolutely astounding.
    World History wide and currently there is no group desiring of right to rule and self determination that does not get your panties in a wad to support.

    Yet you glibly demonize and cast epithets at anyone who was ever born/lives/works in former states of the CSA, or supports Constitutional limits on the imperial federal government.
     
    #25     Apr 11, 2010
  6. The New Intolerance
    by Patrick J. Buchanan

    04/09/2010


    "This was a recognition of American terrorists."

    That is CNN's Roland Martin's summary judgment of the 258,000 men and boys who fell fighting for the Confederacy in a war that cost as many American lives as World Wars I and II, Korea, Vietnam and Iraq combined.

    Martin reflects the hysteria that seized Obamaville on hearing that Gov. Bob McDonnell had declared Confederate History Month in the Old Dominion. Virginia leads the nation in Civil War battlefields.


    So loud was the howling that in 24 hours McDonnell had backpedaled and issued an apology that he had not mentioned slavery.

    Unfortunately, the governor missed a teaching moment -- at the outset of the 150th anniversary of America's bloodiest war.

    Slavery was indeed evil, but it existed in the Americas a century before the oldest of our founding fathers was even born. Five of our first seven presidents were slaveholders.

    But Virginia did not secede in defense of slavery. Indeed, when Abraham Lincoln was inaugurated, March 4, 1861, Virginia was still in the Union. Only South Carolina, Georgia and the five Gulf states had seceded and created the Confederate States of America.

    At the firing on Fort Sumter, April 12-13, 1865, the first shots of the Civil War, Virginia was still inside the Union. Indeed, there were more slave states in the Union than in the Confederacy. But, on April 15, Lincoln issued a call for 75,000 volunteers from the state militias to march south and crush the new Confederacy.

    Two days later, April 17, Virginia seceded rather than provide soldiers or militia to participate in a war on their brethren. North Carolina, Tennessee and Arkansas followed Virginia out over the same issue. They would not be a party to a war on their kinfolk.

    Slavery was not the cause of this war. Secession was -- that and Lincoln's determination to drown the nation in blood if necessary to make the Union whole again.

    Nor did Lincoln ever deny it.

    In his first inaugural, Lincoln sought to appease the states that had seceded by endorsing a constitutional amendment to make slavery permanent in the 15 states where it then existed. He even offered to help the Southern states run down fugitive slaves.

    In 1862, Lincoln wrote Horace Greeley that if he could restore the Union without freeing one slave he would do it. The Emancipation Proclamation of Jan. 1, 1863, freed only those slaves Lincoln had no power to free -- those still under Confederate rule. As for slaves in the Union states of Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky and Missouri, they remained the property of their owners.

    As for "terrorists," no army fought more honorably than Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia. Few deny that.

    The great terrorist in that war was William Tecumseh Sherman, who violated all the known rules of war by looting, burning and pillaging on his infamous March to the Sea from Atlanta to Savannah. Sherman would later be given command of the war against the Plains Indians and advocate extermination of the Sioux.

    "The only good Indian is a dead Indian" is attributed both to Sherman and Gen. Phil Sheridan, who burned the Shenandoah and carried out Sherman's ruthless policy against the Indians. Both have statues and circles named for them in Washington, D.C.

    If Martin thinks Sherman a hero, he might study what happened to the slave women of Columbia, S.C., when "Uncle Billy's" boys in blue arrived to burn the city.

    What of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, at whose request McDonnell issued his proclamation? What racist deeds have they perpetrated of late?

    They tend the graves of Confederate dead and place flags on Memorial Day. They contributed to the restoration of the home of Jefferson Davis, damaged by Hurricane Katrina. They publish the Confederate Veteran, a magazine that relates stories of the ancestors they love to remember. They join environmentalists in fighting to preserve Civil War battlefields. They do re-enactments of Civil War battles with men and boys whose ancestors fought for the Union. And they defend the monuments to their ancestors and the flag under which they fought.

    Why are they vilified?

    Because they are Southern white Christian men -- none of whom defends slavery, but all of whom are defiantly proud of the South, its ancient faith and their forefathers who fell in the Lost Cause.

    Undeniably, the Civil War ended in the abolition of slavery and restoration of the Union. But the Southern states believed they had the same right to rid themselves of a government to which they no longer felt allegiance as did Washington, Jefferson and Madison, all slave-owners, who could no longer give loyalty to the king of England.

    Consider closely this latest skirmish in a culture war that may yet make an end to any idea of nationhood, and you will see whence the real hate is coming. It is not from Gov. McDonnell or the Sons of Confederate Veterans.
     
    #26     Apr 12, 2010
  7. If he's re-elected in '12, there may just be another civil war.

    This time, we'll win.
     
    #27     Apr 12, 2010
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    #28     Apr 12, 2010
  9. Bellicose as usual...

    "As for "terrorists," no army fought more honorably than Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia. Few deny that.

    So fighting honorably, were they?

    So Muslim extremists who are fighting honorably, or bravely sacrificing their lives for their cause are also commendable?

    These scoundrels refused to accept the laws of the United States of America, didn't like it, so they tried to quit...

    That is not revolution, that is rebellion, going back on their words, traitorous, etc.

    Sherman gave the scum exactly what they deserved...

    "Why are they vilified?

    Because they are Southern white Christian men."


    That would be akin to why we vilify German Nazi supporters, because they are white and German?

    Buchanan is losing it, you can tell when you see him interviewed. His mind is slipping, he engages in bellicose arguments, logical flawed thinking, messy with the facts, and above all emotional incontinence. He has become even more self righteous than ever before.

    The confederacy was a blight on the great United States of America, and should be denounced at every turn. Confederate flags should be burned, Jefferson Davis' house should be see in the same way gas ovens at Auschwitz are viewed. Davis was a criminal, disloyal to the flag, disloyal to the Union, and all that glorify him or the misguided soldiers that follow him should be spurned at every opportunity.


     
    #29     Apr 12, 2010
  10. It would be better to let sleeping dogs lie. All the anti-South rhetoric will do is piss people off, which is the thread author's intention.

    As far as CNN, any "opinions" coming out of their mouths is just that..............opinions.
     
    #30     Apr 12, 2010