CME pit volume sharp DROP

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by saschabr, Mar 27, 2002.

  1. Hi Guys,

    has anybody else noticed this sharp decline in CME-pit traded
    equitity index futures during the last days ?

    I think it started with the last rollover into June, but the
    development over the last 3 days is - let me call it - dramatic.

    While in February 100.000 "big" S&Ps changed hands during RTH and 240.000 Globex-Minis were traded, yesterday + day before yesterday around 250.000-300.000 Minis traded while the pit volume was hammered down to a pointless 40-50k.
    Volume in the NDX has gone electronic long before, the pit contract was traded about 15000 (150-200k minis) times yesterday, that thing is a dead cat.

    Is the market really going electronic now ? It would be a great advance, in my opinion at least.

  2. tntneo

    tntneo Moderator

    well, volume was very low for the markets NYSE and Nasdaq for the past days.
    So the past days are not really indicative imo.
    Although the trend going toward electronic markets I think is real.
  3. NEO,

    you are perfectly right considering cash market trade volume.
    however, i download + read the CME trade statistics every day
    and i do this now for some months, and i can tell you nearly for sure that there is something going on. 40000 big S&P during
    RTH is - BY FAR - the lowest figure i remember.
    Also, volume in the minis remained at it's levels or increased,
    only the pit was affected by this drop.
  4. Don't know what is going on. I hope it lasts though.

    I reckon the squawk boxes become less usefull now?
  5. Bachelier: at least you will be rewarded by a more fair market:cool: (i point out: i have nothing against pit traders. the only point is: i am not one of them and i do not want them to have an unfair advantage)
  6. Woody


    The only thing that I know of that may be a factor in the decline in volume is the holiday shortened week. No trading on Good Friday. Volume should be even lighter tomorrow.
  7. mgkrebs


    plus, it's already passover. Lotta people not in markets this week.
  8. PKJR


    1- holiday
    2- end of quarter and other admin things affecting trading and CTAs/funds/etc
    3- Volume will pick up in full Moon (was already up today)
  9. Pabst


    saschabr: I've noticed the same but not as dramatic a thing happening with bonds and 10yr. at CBOT. Every day since rollover ACE picks up on a % basis. Now up to about 60% of RTH volume. And by the way, if DEF is viewing, how about seat prices at the CBOE. $235,000!!
    Can't remember when they were that low.
  10. Pabst: Very good point with the seat prices here.
    I just checked CME's site, and voila, an IMM seat changed its owner at $370,000, which is far beyond the $5/600,000 paid in 2000/2001. An IOM seat was thrown away for $275,000, i think traders paid something around 400k some months earlier.
    By the way: the bid prices for the seats were "hit", so somebody
    wanted to get out of this seat soon :) , however the spreads are awfully wide...

    There was an interesting article posted in Reuters news last weekend, i will try to find it again, then post it here, it stated some nice comments of bank/brokerage bosses about the steal which takes place due to the dual systems. Fimat (SocGen- one of the real big players in derivatives) was complaining heaviliy and urging CME to go electronic for all contracts now.

    However, let's hope change has begun.

    #10     Mar 28, 2002