Because you guys refuse to believe the majority don't believe in decriminalizing illegal entrees or simply giving shit away to people who come in that way. AOC speaks for a shrinking minority even without her own party which is why Bernie fizzled out and will do so again. What tony says is what I said about Hillary hundreds of times in these threads. While Trump was lying about winning and jobs and trade deals, Hilliary was campaigning for immigrants who don't vote. A capuchin monkey with a decent staff could have beaten Trump in 2016 with the right approach. half the current pool of cardboard cutouts are committing the same mistake in addition to preaching to choirs already voting for them. The problem is they FIRST have to win the DEM nomination which means play the party game and THEN go after middle, independents and frustrated Trump voters so we will not hear the moderate stuff until May-June.
But on the other hand, a credible argument can be made that Bernie is fizzling out or will fizzle out because he is a victim of his own success- and not because dems are distancing themselves from his views. Every single one of the dem candidates have adopted/usurped at least some policies that can be traced back to Bernie which makes it harder and harder for Bernie to be the Lefty-in-Chief. Bernie is a bit like the Karl Marx of the Dem Party. Marx was the political theologian for communism but he was never one of the actual implementers/leaders such as Lenin or Stalin- but Marx sure as heck had an influence on all of them - ditto for Bernie. I mean how the hell is Bernie going to be a stand-out now for advocating Medicare for All, for example, when all the others are too. Ditto for Cwimate Change as Bernie calls it? (misspelling intended) and for all the 1 per center talk. They are all doing it but in younger packages or not white or not male, whatever. Old Bernie wine in new bottles.
Interesting posting and I agree Hillary misdirected her efforts, if any. However, I must correct one item------Immigrants both legal and illegal do vote. This is why states are changing from Red to Blue.
Not in the last couple days that I have seen. Clowns down so far are Howard Shultz and Eric Swallow-well. Some articles named Hickenlooper as a Clown Down but he pushed back and said, no, I just laid off all my staff and the rest left me because I am re-organizing my campaign. Uh okay. You would also expect Beto to cave but he kept so much money from his senate race and transferred it to his presidential race- which is legal- that he can probably float and just mouth off for a while. Gillibrand will have to give up the ghost at some point soon.
Don't forget, they are focused now on winning the nomination of their party so you always start far left and as you stand out and knock off the competition you will see the shift for the general election. No different the GOP group all hitting the key conservative points early on to get all the sub groups. That is why most of us are brushing off the bullshit coming out and waiting before considering anyone of them having a shot at the nomination. We are in July of 2019.......the game is early and about who can get the left support before trying to focus on all the groups I mentioned above.
Immigrants who are citizens vote. Illegal immigrants voting is just a phrase spouited by Fox News and Trump with no research and facts to back up a claim that country wide voting by illegals is happening. Stop drinking the kool aid. Whatever form of voter registration requires proof of citizenship, even Motor Voting which is just to streamline the application not the approval.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/19/noncitizen-illegal-vote-number-higher-than-estimat/ A research group in New Jersey has taken a fresh look at postelection polling data and concluded that the number of noncitizens voting illegally in U.S. elections is likely far greater than previous estimates. As many as 5.7 million noncitizens may have voted in the 2008 election, which put Barack Obama in the White House. The research organization Just Facts, a widely cited, independent think tank led by self-described conservatives and libertarians, revealed its number-crunching in a report on national immigration.
So illegals put Barack Obama in the White House in 2008... MAY have voted.....no proof just a claim which means there may have been some and it needs to be addressed but the idea that they swayed an entire election is tin foil hat time. Let's not forget the oppononet was McCain who many GOP claim to dislike and he killed his chances when he named a Mentally challenged person as his running mate. That had nothing to do with Obama winning at all right...
Brush it off if you want, but common sense would tell you that there is massive voter fraud, which includes huge numbers of illegal aliens voting, occurring in the USA. --This is is why Democrats don't want the borders sealed up.