Climategate: McIntyre and the ‘Divergence Problem’

Discussion in 'Politics' started by bugscoe, Dec 15, 2009.

  1. Uhhh... it's actually in Exxon's 2008 "Corporate Citizenship Report" if you care to read it.

    http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/community_contributions_report_public.aspx

    http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/community_contributions_report.aspx

    Exxon stopped funding the "Marshall Institute" only last year, and now include such joke anti-global warming groups as "The Smithsonian Astrophysics Observatory" (which is a wonderfully entertaining name) to the tune of $76,106.

    I assume they made a mistake in including this link to their direct funding of global warming deniers.

    Another example was the report "Lessons & Limits of Climate History: Was the 20th Century Climate Unusual?" which was published by the George Marshall Institute. Jeff Nesmith of Cox News Service revealed that the study was funded by the American Petroleum Institute.

    It's not really a "conspiracy theory" when it's in black and white in their corporate reports. Exxon funds global warming deniers to try to confuse the issue in the public's mind, to masquerade as if there's actual debate and to prevent any change.
     
    #11     Dec 15, 2009
  2. And CFC's -- don't forget those.

    In fact, interestingly, one of the people who worked for the George Marshall Institute was Dr. Sally Baliunas -- a famous global warming denier (who unsurprisingly now works for the global warming denial center "Smithsonian Astrophysics Observatory") and she wrote about CFC's.

    Guess what she wrote back then about CFC's? Let me know if any of this sounds familiar:

    "Scientific findings do not support an immediate ban on CFC's. Both global and arctic measurements point to natural factors as the main cause of recent ozone fluctuations. Ozone levels change primarily as a result of natural factors, such as ultraviolet output of the sun..."
     
    #12     Dec 15, 2009
  3. Mnphats

    Mnphats



    A mere 76,000?

    Wow, shocking.
     
    #13     Dec 15, 2009
  4. Actually their environmental contributions listed on the report total $9 million, but clearly that doesn't include support that they've attempted to hide through the API and other front organizations.

    It just makes sense, though, and I imagine you would agree that it's common sense that a corporation would attempt to protect its bottom line at any and all costs.
     
    #14     Dec 15, 2009
  5. Arnie

    Arnie

    So what? Do you really believe that the glaciers and ice caps are static? Of course they ebb and flow. If there is one word that describes climate, it's "change". There is no need to get worked up over something that occurs naturally.
     
    #15     Dec 15, 2009

  6. This is the lamest excuse the MMGW folks have going. The hoaxsters got caught perpetrating the fraud and they blame Exxon for it. It is always someone else's fault with liberals.
     
    #16     Dec 15, 2009
  7. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iOEB1v8qRQaMGu_fAIW_eSvKSGyw

    "GENEVA — A surge in sunshine more than 60 years ago helped Swiss mountain glaciers melt faster than today, even though warmer average temperatures are being recorded now, Swiss researchers said Monday.

    Their study into the impact of solar radiation on Alpine glaciers made the "surprising discovery" that in the 1940s, and especially summer 1947, the ice floes lost the most ice since measurements begin 95 years ago, according to Zurich's Federal Institute of Technology (ETHZ)."




    Hey genius, the Swiss glaciers were melting faster when it was colder. That blows your whole argument.
     
    #17     Dec 15, 2009
  8. No, it doesn't.

    And I'm not sure how it would.
     
    #18     Dec 15, 2009
  9. "It appears that ozone levels in the arctic experienced wide variations before the buildup of CFC's in the atmosphere." -- Dr. Sallie Baliunas

    Sound familiar?
     
    #19     Dec 15, 2009

  10. Ummmm, yes it does.
     
    #20     Dec 15, 2009