Climate warming faster than feared

It already has. CO2 is a very important greenhouse gas and we raised levels 40%. Why this simple science is still in question by you and your fellow denialists is a mystery. How can temperatures NOT rise given these facts?

The facts on this chart are correct.

 

But you don't go back far enough. So the temperature spiked. It's spiked many times in the past as well - to these levels and beyond. See the chart I posted going back half a million years (which is still only a blip on the radar as far as the age of the earth is concerned).

You haven't linked CO2 with temperature rises. All you've shown is correlation, not causation.

 

What part of "CO2 IS A GREENHOUSE GAS" ..do you not understand?

 

I understand it perfectly. But you continue to ignore that no one knows the level in which it actually affects the planet. Again, I'll draw you to that analogy I made about ammonia. It's toxic - especially to fish. But pouring a glass of it in the ocean doesn't do a whole lot. Raising the levels of ammonia in the ocean by 50 or 100% might have an effect, or it might not. Who knows?

 

You are confusing your ignorance for other's. Climatologists know.
The CO2 effects the planet's temperature AT EVERY LEVEL you idiot. The levels of CO2 act as the setting on a thermostat. Certainly you should know this by now if you have paying attention at all. But you don't want to pay attention to the science. You want to pay attention to being an obtuse, stubborn, ideologically deluded sheep.

 

what part of greenhouse gases are now causing cooling and you have no proof co2 is causing warming on earth do you not understand fc.



http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fe...ant-growth.html


1. A new NASA computer modeling effort has found that additional growth of plants and trees in a world with doubled atmospheric carbon dioxide levels would create a new negative feedback – a cooling effect – in the Earth's climate system that could work to reduce future global warming.

The cooling effect would be -0.3 degrees Celsius (C) (-0.5 Fahrenheit (F)) globally and -0.6 degrees C (-1.1 F) over land, compared to simulations where the feedback was not included, said Lahouari Bounoua, of Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. Bounoua is lead author on a paper detailing the results that will be published Dec. 7 in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.


2. CO2 is a powerful coolant and thermostat per NASA science.



http://science.nasa.gov/science-new...12/22mar_saber/


Mlynczak is the associate principal investigator for the SABER instrument onboard NASA’s TIMED satellite. SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earth’s upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances that play a key role in the energy balance of air hundreds of km above our planet’s surface.
“Carbon dioxide and nitric oxide are natural thermostats,” explains James Russell of Hampton University, SABER’s principal investigator. “When the upper atmosphere (or ‘thermosphere’) heats up, these molecules try as hard as they can to shed that heat back into space.”
That’s what happened on March 8th when a coronal mass ejection (CME) propelled in our direction by an X5-class solar flare hit Earth’s magnetic field. (On the “Richter Scale of Solar Flares,” X-class flares are the most powerful kind.) Energetic particles rained down on the upper atmosphere, depositing their energy where they hit. The action produced spectacular auroras around the poles and significant1 upper atmospheric heating all around the globe.
“The thermosphere lit up like a Christmas tree,” says Russell. “It began to glow intensely at infrared wavelengths as the thermostat effect kicked in.”
For the three day period, March 8th through 10th, the thermosphere absorbed 26 billion kWh of energy. Infrared radiation from CO2 and NO, the two most efficient coolants in the thermosphere, re-radiated 95% of that total back into space.

3. Change in co2 follow but lag change in ocean temps.


Using data series on atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperatures we investigate the phase relation (leads/lags) between these for the period January 1980 to December 2011. Ice cores show atmospheric CO2 variations to lag behind atmospheric temperature changes on a century to millennium scale, but modern temperature is expected to lag changes in atmospheric CO2, as the atmospheric temperature increase since about 1975 generally is assumed to be caused by the modern increase in CO2. In our analysis we use eight well-known datasets; 1) globally averaged well-mixed marine boundary layer CO2 data, 2) HadCRUT3 surface air temperature data, 3) GISS surface air temperature data, 4) NCDC surface air temperature data, 5) HadSST2 sea surface data, 6) UAH lower troposphere temperature data series, 7) CDIAC data on release of anthropogene CO2, and 8) GWP data on volcanic eruptions. Annual cycles are present in all datasets except 7) and 8), and to remove the influence of these we analyze 12-month averaged data. We find a high degree of co-variation between all data series except 7) and 8), but with changes in CO2 always lagging changes in temperature. The maximum positive correlation between CO2 and temperature is found for CO2 lagging 11–12 months in relation to global sea surface temperature, 9.5-10 months to global surface air temperature, and about 9 months to global lower troposphere temperature. The correlation between changes in ocean temperatures and atmospheric CO2 is high, but do not explain all observed changes.



See: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.gloplacha.2012.08.008





The highlights of the paper are:

► The overall global temperature change sequence of events appears to be from 1) the ocean surface to 2) the land surface to 3) the lower troposphere.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging about 11–12 months behind changes in global sea surface temperature.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging 9.5-10 months behind changes in global air surface temperature.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging about 9 months behind changes in global lower troposphere temperature.

► Changes in ocean temperatures appear to explain a substantial part of the observed changes in atmospheric CO2 since January 1980.

► CO2 released from use of fossil fuels have little influence on the observed changes in the amount of atmospheric CO2, and changes in atmospheric CO2 are not tracking changes in human emissions.

The paper:

The phase relation between atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperature

Ole Humluma, b,
Kjell Stordahlc,
Jan-Erik Solheimd

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/...global-warming/

 

Let's dissect your response. First sentence, indirect personal attack. Second line, interesting visual about the thermostat, but it's stops there. No data, no input on how much CO2 it takes to raise the temperature a degree, etc. Third line, more indirect personal nonsense. Fourth, the same. Fifth the same, and so on. No data, no backup, just the same regurgitated commentary that you cannot prove. What a yawn you are.

If you can't prove it, just say so.

 

Talk about idiocy. Now you're trying to say that a bedrock principle of climatology that has been established for hundreds of years and is indisputable.....is wrong.


Unbelievable.

Do I have go back and show you the basic science of greenhouse gasses again? Maybe piezoe can educate you again about the indisputable physical principles of CO2?

Like talking to someone who is in a straight jacket.

 

Anything you want to know, you can look at and ignore here. You idiot.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-references/faq/

 

Introduction
What are greenhouse gases?

Many chemical compounds present in Earth's atmosphere behave as 'greenhouse gases'. These are gases which allow direct sunlight (relative shortwave energy) to reach the Earth's surface unimpeded. As the shortwave energy (that in the visible and ultraviolet portion of the spectra) heats the surface, longer-wave (infrared) energy (heat) is reradiated to the atmosphere. Greenhouse gases absorb this energy, thereby allowing less heat to escape back to space, and 'trapping' it in the lower atmosphere. Many greenhouse gases occur naturally in the atmosphere, such as carbon dioxide, methane, water vapor, and nitrous oxide, while others are synthetic. Those that are man-made include the chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs) and Perfluorocarbons (PFCs), as well as sulfur hexafluoride (SF6). Atmospheric concentrations of both the natural and man-made gases have been rising over the last few centuries due to the industrial revolution. As the global population has increased and our reliance on fossil fuels (such as coal, oil and natural gas) has been firmly solidified, so emissions of these gases have risen. While gases such as carbon dioxide occur naturally in the atmosphere, through our interference with the carbon cycle (through burning forest lands, or mining and burning coal), we artificially move carbon from solid storage to its gaseous state, thereby increasing atmospheric concentrations.