Climate Change... its the sun... again.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Jan 12, 2015.

  1. Ricter

    Ricter

    Science is hard.
     
    #411     Jan 29, 2015
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Look at how well Penn State investigated Sandusky.
     
    #412     Jan 29, 2015
  3. fhl

    fhl


    The global warming fraudsters hand selected other global warming true believers to investigate.
     
    #413     Jan 29, 2015
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    As evidenced by your own list of investigating authorities they obviously investigated themselves.

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    #414     Jan 29, 2015
  5. The "trick" is actually a technique (in other words, a "trick of the trade") used in a peer-reviewed, academic science journal article published in 1998. "Hiding the decline," another phrase that has received much attention, refers to another technique used in another academic science journal article. In any case, no one was tricking anyone or hiding anything. Rather, this email exchange shows scientists communicating about different ways to look at the same data that were being discussed at the time in the peer-reviewed literature. Later the same data were discussed at length in a 2007 IPCC report.

    In some parts of the world, tree rings are a good substitute for temperature record. Trees form a ring of new growth every growing season. Generally, warmer temperatures produce thicker tree rings, while colder temperatures produce thinner ones. Other factors, such as precipitation, soil properties, and the tree's age also can affect tree ring growth.

    The "trick," which was used in a paper published in 1998 in the science journal Nature, is to combine the older tree ring data with thermometer data. Combining the two data sets can be difficult, and scientists are always interested in new ways to make temperature records more accurate.

    Tree rings are a largely consistent source of data for the past 2,000 years. But since the 1960s, scientists have noticed there are a handful of tree species in certain areas that appear to indicate temperatures that are warmer or colder than we actually know they are from direct thermometer measurement at weather stations.

    "Hiding the decline" in this email refers to omitting data from some Siberian trees after 1960. This omission was openly discussed in the latest climate science update in 2007 from the IPCC, so it is not "hidden" at all.

    Why Siberian trees? In the Yamal region of Siberia, there is a small set of trees with rings that are thinner than expected after 1960 when compared with actual thermometer measurements there. Scientists are still trying to figure out why these trees are outliers. Some analyses have left out the data from these trees after 1960 and have used thermometer temperatures instead.

    Techniques like this help scientists reconstruct past climate temperature records based on the best available data.

    In another email, Kevin Trenberth, a climate scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Colorado, wrote that systems for observing short-term annual climate variation are inadequate and complained: "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment, and it is a travesty that we can't…. Our observing system is inadequate."

    Scientists have high confidence about global temperature trends over recent decades because those observations are based on a massive amount of data. That's why we can say with certainty that over the past several decades, the Earth has warmed. We can also say with certainty that continuing to overload the atmosphere with carbon dioxide will cause it to warm further.

    But scientists are still trying to understand how the climate shifts in the short term, on a year-to-year basis for instance. In this email, Trenberth is bemoaning the lack of monitoring equipment in the ocean and atmosphere around the world that would give scientists more information to help understand exactly how short-term climate variation happens. In particular, he references 2008, which was cooler than scientists expected, but still among the 10 warmest years since instrumental records began.
     
    #415     Jan 29, 2015

  6. I know. And actually looking further than one sentence sound bites taken out of context is beyond the ability of deniers. That would require some mental effort and facing the fact that they have been deluded by right wing propaganda.
     
    #416     Jan 29, 2015

  7. No, they did not idiot.
     
    #417     Jan 29, 2015
  8. fhl

    fhl

  9. Ricter

    Ricter

    Have you come across any good study of Earth's albedo, over time? The energy imbalance is confirmed by observation, but a rising albedo could reverse it. I think that's the idea behind pumping sulfur into the atmosphere... ?
     
    #420     Jan 29, 2015